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Spanky · 05-03-2012, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas II

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Please explain the "evil" part...

Of course the "Lord" created evil and peace. If God is the creator of the world, then God is responsible for both the good and the bad. There are no two ways around it. If a programer makes a virtual reality where both "evil" and "good" exist, who's the one responsible for bringing "evil" and "good" into the world? The programer. The same holds true for "God" the "creator of the world". If all we see was created by a single entity, this entity is responsible for all things--both good and bad.

sotto voce · 05-03-2012, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by yalla

Flintstones, meet the Flintstones
They're the modern stone-age family
From the town of Bedrock
They're a page right out of history
Let's ride with the family down the street
Through the courtesy of Fred's two feet
When you're with the Flintstones
Have a yabba-dabba-doo time
A dabba-doo time
You'll have a gay old time

gay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay

"Gay is a word (a noun or an adjective) that primarily refers to a homosexual person.

Stalin hath spoken.

sotto voce · 05-03-2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Spanky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas II

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Please explain the "evil" part...

Of course the "Lord" created evil and peace.

Says a well known Bible translator.

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If God is the creator of the world, then God is responsible for both the good and the bad. There are no two ways around it. If a programer makes a virtual reality where both "evil" and "good" exist, who's the one responsible for bringing "evil" and "good" into the world? The programer. The same holds true for "God" the "creator of the world". If all we see was created by a single entity, this entity is responsible for all things--both good and bad.

The programmer has taken the blame for all the evil.

That won't stop him from kicking the hell out of his enemies, though.

Iskander · 05-03-2012, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yalla

Flintstones, meet the Flintstones
They're the modern stone-age family
From the town of Bedrock
They're a page right out of history
Let's ride with the family down the street
Through the courtesy of Fred's two feet
When you're with the Flintstones
Have a yabba-dabba-doo time
A dabba-doo time
You'll have a gay old time

gay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay

"Gay is a word (a noun or an adjective) that primarily refers to a homosexual person.

"The term was originally used to refer to feelings of being "carefree", "happy", or "bright and showy"; ......"

Cheerful is also what ‘gay’ means in this song
Tony Awards ：Me & My Girl “Lambeth Walk”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3pIX...eature=related

Lambeth you've never seen,
The skies ain't blue, the grass ain't green.
It hasn't got the Mayfair touch,
But that don't matter very much.
We play the Lambeth way,
Not like you but a bit more gay
And when we have a bit of fun
Oh, Boy.

Shafeesthoughts · 05-03-2012, 05:04 AM

Cf: S. Falaq, the Qur'an Chapter : "Say, I take refuge in the Lord of the Daybreak. From the evil of that which He created".

For Muslims evil is not a thing, but an action and an intention. Evil entered the World when Adam (as) bit into the apple, it is a consequence of free will, that trust that we willing took upon ourselves before creation.

An earthquake is not evil, but a natural phenomena. What is evil is not the suffering that could entail, but the withholding of succour. It is a trial for both those beset by it, on their patience, and for those not beset by it, on their readiness to lend help.

And it is that Muslims believe that God is the ever doer of good. And it is with that that God reminds us in the first instance that He is the one that continually causes the day to break on darkness. And in His and the ultimate Goodness we trust. And it is this that makes the vast majority of Muslims to do good, empathise, give and be free.

sotto voce · 05-03-2012, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Shafeesthoughts

Cf: S. Falaq, the Qur'an Chapter : "Say, I take refuge in the Lord of the Daybreak. From the evil of that which He created".

For Muslims evil is not a thing, but an action and an intention.

Do Muslims feel guilt for evil actions?

Thomas II · 05-03-2012, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Spanky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas II

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Please explain the "evil" part...

Of course the "Lord" created evil and peace. If God is the creator of the world, then God is responsible for both the good and the bad. There are no two ways around it. If a programer makes a virtual reality where both "evil" and "good" exist, who's the one responsible for bringing "evil" and "good" into the world? The programer. The same holds true for "God" the "creator of the world". If all we see was created by a single entity, this entity is responsible for all things--both good and bad.

If God is the creator of all evil, why send people to Hell?

Iskander · 05-03-2012, 05:28 AM

Who says it does? Catholics, Muslims and fiery preachers do, but the Christian and Muslim gods are false and prophets are charlatans.

Choosing the kind one is the wise thing to do

sotto voce · 05-03-2012, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Iskander

Who says it does?

It?

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Choosing the kind one is the wise thing to do

Is it wise to follow the advice of those who do not reference their replies?

Shafeesthoughts · 05-03-2012, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shafeesthoughts

Cf: S. Falaq, the Qur'an Chapter : "Say, I take refuge in the Lord of the Daybreak. From the evil of that which He created".

For Muslims evil is not a thing, but an action and an intention.

Do Muslims feel guilt for evil actions?

Guilt is the speech of the Nafs al-Lawama, the self reproaching self. The first step on the road to higher selfs, a barrier from descending into the lower self.

On the day of reckoning Muslims believe that God will give them one grace above every other Nation, that irrespective of their state at that time of their questioning a barrier or veil will be raised and their honour will be maintained.

So yes, shame is the last bastion before the fall into shamelessness.
And if you feel ashamed of it, try to avoid it.

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05-03-2012, 05:04 AM	#15
Shafeesthoughts Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: London Posts: 379	Cf: S. Falaq, the Qur'an Chapter : "Say, I take refuge in the Lord of the Daybreak. From the evil of that which He created". For Muslims evil is not a thing, but an action and an intention. Evil entered the World when Adam (as) bit into the apple, it is a consequence of free will, that trust that we willing took upon ourselves before creation. An earthquake is not evil, but a natural phenomena. What is evil is not the suffering that could entail, but the withholding of succour. It is a trial for both those beset by it, on their patience, and for those not beset by it, on their readiness to lend help. And it is that Muslims believe that God is the ever doer of good. And it is with that that God reminds us in the first instance that He is the one that continually causes the day to break on darkness. And in His and the ultimate Goodness we trust. And it is this that makes the vast majority of Muslims to do good, empathise, give and be free.

05-03-2012, 05:28 AM	#18
Iskander Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,619	Who says it does? Catholics, Muslims and fiery preachers do, but the Christian and Muslim gods are false and prophets are charlatans. Choosing the kind one is the wise thing to do

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