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01-13-2003, 01:00 PM | #21 |
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that doesn't surprise me if it turns out to be true: narcotics and religion have a long, long history together.
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Fenton, you made an interesting point about pot not getting you that high. However, I wonder what the nature of a pot high is if you take it by skin-absorption (as in a holy oil). The way you take it probably affects the nature of the high since a high by ingestion is not the same effect as a high by inhalation. Furthermore, I have been with a friend who did hallucinate big time on very strong pot in amsterdam while he had the experience, so while it is not common with people, remember pot is technically a hallucinogen and it is capable of causing serious hallucinations like Revelations.
The reason I do not think that kaneh-bosm in the holy oil refers to shrooms is because there is so much evidence supporting kaneh-bosm referring to cannabis, and not just the etymological evidence, but medical evidence as well. I have done a serious paper on this subject, about 14 pages long-single spaced, that basically organizes and presents all the evidence I have found on this subject. I wanted to attach it to my post but it is word format with a .doc ending so I dont' know how. If someone knows how, let me know and I'll do it. Otherwise, if you're interested, email me at krazytamak@yahoo.com and I'll email you my thesis on this subject. This applies to anyone else who may just be browsing. |
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This is krazytamac's paper. (It is also an experiment in formatting.)
Historical Reevaluation of the Bible Abstract: Jesus anointed people with the therapeutic and entheogenic holy oil from the Old Testament. The holy oil was used during baptism, and it caused the recipient to hallucinate. The drug-induced visions and voices that were heard were then interpreted to be messages from God and glimpses into the Kingdom of Heaven. Furthermore, Jesus was seen as a moral savior when he healed people with the holy oil. This is because the assumption of the time period was that illness was caused by sin. So, when Jesus healed people with the holy oil, people believed that he had the ability and authority to forgive their sins. All of Jesus? medical miracles can be explained by the medical properties of the ingredients of the holy oil. Finally, by contrasting the Biblical interpretation of resurrection as physical with the Gnostic interpretation of resurrection as spiritual, the myth of a physical resurrection can be explained away as exaggeration caused by the decades long game of telephone that occurred before the oral scriptures were put to writing. Setup of the Evidence: There are twelve numbered points, all of which are supported by the lettered evidence directly below it. The lettered evidence is from the Bible, Gnostic texts, early Christian Church Orders, early Christian writings, and primary medical sources. If any of the numbered points is too self-evident for you, you can skip the evidence in that category and move on to the next point, but be aware that each point builds on the previous point. Note, all bold emphases are added to draw attention to important parts of the quotation and are not in the original. 1. New Testament oil cures epilepsy ?They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them.?- Mark 6:13 [The link provides source that says epilepsy was believed to be cause by demons in ancient times. http://library.thinkquest.org/J001619/history.html . Thus, this shows that oil was used to cure epilepsy.] 2. The oil refers to the holy oil of the Old Testament, same oil the Jews had banned. Just because it was banned doesn?t mean that it stopped existing and was suddenly impossible to find. On the contrary, most things that are officially banned, are still available in a black market, for example, most drugs today. It is because Jesus was literally anointed with this oil that we call him the ?The Anointed? (Christ) and not because of some figurative anointing by God.
Marijuana had a positive religious function as a means for communicating with the divine in early Hinduism, Buddhism, Tantrism, Taoism, and Zoroastrianism. [Evidence from Abel, Ernest L, Marijuana- The First Twelve Thousand Years, 1980. http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/...rst12000/1.htm ] 7. So the oil had cannabis in it. That means it also had a hallucinogenic effect. When and how did they use this oil? They used it in baptism and general medicine. First look at the baptismal use and its significance in Point#7 and 8. Then look at the medical use in Point#9. In Point#7, prove that originally, baptism was not just water baptism as it is today, but in fact, baptism by the holy oil was a crucial component of baptism. While the holy oil was restricted to ordained priests in the Old Testament, early Christians violated the Jewish ban and poured holy oil on top of each other as part of baptism.
10. A lot of Jesus? miracles were medical in nature. Keeping in mind that all the written scriptures were first passed down orally for a few decades, one would expect that by the time the stories were written down, the story would have diverged to some degree from the original event. For example, except for Mark 6:13 and some Gnostic scriptures and some Biblical passages, most of the primary Biblical documents show Jesus healing people without making any reference to the holy oil, thus making it seem all the more magical. However, given the evidence in Point #9, where there was healing, there was probably oil. And, as the story of this event was passed down, the importance of the oil in the healing miracles was diminished and eventually forgotten. What seems like a divine miracle is really based off a true scientifically explainable event. As a result, what follows is a list (I think it?s complete) of all the miracles in the New Testament and the corresponding non-miraculous explanations. 10 of the miracles are explainable and 3 remain unexplained for now.
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Dear krazytamak,
You must know that the subject matter discourages many people from taking it seriously. However, I think that it is interesting, and I can add some references that might be relevant. My interest is academic; I draw no political, ethical, or religious ramifications. Albert Schweitzer wrote one hundred years ago (The Quest of the Historical Jesus, p. 52): "With the miracles of healing, however, the case is very simple. Sometimes Jesus worked through His spiritual power upon the nervous system of the sufferer; sometimes He used medicines known to Him alone. The latter applies, for instance, to the cures of the blind. The disciples, too, as appears from Mark vi. 7 and 13, were not sent out without medicaments, for the oil with which they were to anoint the sick was, of course, of a medicinal character; and the casting out of evil spirits was effected partly by means of sedatives." 1 John 2:27. "As for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, so that you do not need anyone to teach you. But his anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not false; just as it taught you, remain in him." I have never seen a modern Christian wax so poetic about an anointing. The reference suggests that teaching/learning of some kind happens with the anointing, which would cohere with the idea of a hallucinogen. Flusser and van de Sandt write: "The Coptic Fragment [of the Didache], which probably dates from the fifth century, offers many textual variants as compared to H [Hierosolymitanus of 1056] . . . The Coptic text offers an 'ointment' or MURON blessing in 10:8, which is not paralleled in H. This prayer, occurring in the Apostolic Constitutions VII, 27, 1-2 as well, is often considered to be an authentic text of the Didache. There are, however, good reasons to question its genuineness." (The Didache: Its Jewish Sources and its Place in Early Judaism and Christianity, p. 25) Chief among them has been explaining its omission from H, but this might be explained on the basis that the medeival church moved away from the practice of anointing with the holy chrism. In any case, even if not a part of the original Didache, it probably goes back to the second or third century. Here is the text found in the Coptic at Didache 10:7 - "We thank you, Father, for the oil of anointing that you have made known through Jesus your Son. Thine is the glory forever. Amen." The following commentary is made by Kurt Niederwimmer (The Didache, pp. 165-167): Quote:
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Clement of Alexandria also makes a reference to oil in "Who is the Rich Man that shall be saved?": "He it is that poured wine on our wounded souls (the blood of David's vine), that brought the oil which flows from the compassions of the Father and bestowed it copiously." Jackson, The Post-Nicene Greek Fathers p. 67, gives a reference to Cyril of Jerusalem that suggests there may have sometimes been two separate anointments, one before water baptism and one after: Quote:
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Hebrews 1:9 says, "Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee, With the oil of gladness above thy fellows." The name "oil of gladness" (KJV/ASV/WEB) is interesting. This is a quote of Psalm 45:7. Origen writes on this passage (De Principiis 2.6.6): Quote:
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You have already found many relevant references yourself, such as those in the Acts of Thomas and the Didascalia Apostolorum. The references that I have mentioned add to the antiquity and ubiquity of the traditions. There may also be some new information in the above. Let me know what you think about these references. best, Peter Kirby |
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This all brings to mind the modern "New Age" practice of aromatherapy. I checked, and they do claim ancient roots, in not only the Bible, but also Egyptian practice.
History of Essential Oils And I guess it also brings to mind John Ashcroft having himself anointed with Crisco vegetable oil. It sounds like he missed the point. |
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If you are just joining this thread, be sure to look on the previous page for the excellent essay of krazytamak, posted by Toto, and my own compilation of patristic references that flesh out the theory. It's interesting stuff.
From the references I have found in the Christian literature, the effect of the chrism is beyond that of sweet smell, but there is no direct evidence that cannabis was the active ingredient. There is the etymological argument, but I am not sure about that, and in any case the OT recipe might not be the one used in the second or third century church. Marijuana obviously comes to mind, because of the medicinal effects, but how much research has gone into the effects of other medicines that might have been mixed in oil in antiquity? And has anyone in modern times published the results of absorption of cannabis from rubbing it in the skin? best, Peter Kirby |
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Peter, you've referenced many different authors from early Christianity, and I have to say, that some of those references were difficult reading. But, what I got out of the majority of the references was that even though it may not be definitively clear what was in the different oils and ointments, what is extremely clear now is that there was something darn special about the oil in early Christianity. If we were to categorize your references by what they can prove, I think most of them would fall under Point#7 in my paper.
Also, there was one piece of information that you had that was new, and had not been covered in my paper, and I think it's pretty interesting, and that is Irenaeus' breakdown of the Christian tirnity. Irenaeus seems to understand the Holy Spirit in the Christian trinity as being the same as the holy oil. If that is the case, then the holy oil is not just darn special, but it is as essential as Jesus and God Himself. And since (i think) the Holy Spirit is supposed to be this part of God that permeates the world and a Christian can feel, it would support the theory that the holy oil is pyschoactive. The essential question in the research of early Christianity then should be what was in that oil. Your references also make it clear that answering this question may not be the easiest thing because it seems (especially after reading Clement's quotation) that there were a variety of oils and ointments, some were just aromatic while others could have been intoxicating in a more psychoactive way. However, I think that most probably Jesus used the holy oil from OT because of the evidence from Point#2 in my post which connects Jesus' anointings with the anointings in OT. And another reason is because even though the terms "oils" and "ointments" may have been used loosely to refer to a variety of oils (as Clement's quotations suggests), the term "holy oil" does not seem to be used loosely and whenver "holy oil" is mentioned in early Christian writings it is in reference to baptism, and whenever "holy oil" is mention in OT text, it is in reference to the oil whose recipe is provided in Exodus. On the effect of cannabis oil via skin-absorption, I don't think there is any study on its psychoactivity, although a couple early 20th century studies have shown that it is therapeutically effective via skin-absorption for certain conditions. For this, I think someone would need to recreate the holy oil and do an experiment. What I really want to see is a serious criticism or commentary on this idea by a respected professor of Early Christianity. The one time I tried to show it to a professor was when I was still in college and the professor simply dismissed it without reading the evidence by saying that he doesn't have time for this. |
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krazytamak,
I would like to bring this theory before a scholarly audience in some way, perhaps by publishing an article in a journal. One thing that is necessary, though, is to replace references to web pages to books and articles whenever possible. Do you think you could help me with a bibliography of sources that I could use to substantiate the medical/scientific aspects? I would also welcome sources on the historical aspects, although I will have less trouble finding those. You might want to e-mail me at kirby@earthlink.net with the books and articles of which you know, or post them here. best, Peter Kirby |
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I think that this excerpt from John Allegro is relevant to this discussion. I'm not too sure about the Mushroom connection but I do think that the hashish/assassins, the first century Zealots and the Jesus Cult could all have used similar drugs.
The Assassins The final section of Chapter XVIII of John M. Allegro's The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross The demand made by Islam upon its adherents for "self-surrender" and submission to the will of Allah, was carried to its greatest extremes in the fanatical sect known as the Assassins. Theologically they were of the Shi'ite branch of Islam, but their external policies were marked, like the Jewish Zealots, by utter ruthlessness in removing from their path any person who disagreed with their ideas. This they achieved by raising within their group a band of young fanatics called the Fida'is, the "devoted ones". They were known more generally as "Assassins" because their complete subservience to the will of their religious masters, without regard for personal danger, was the result of their taking a drug known as khashîsh, our "Hashish". The sect was formed as a secret society around 1090 when they won control, by stratagem, of the mountain fortress of Alamut in Persia. In the eleventh and twelfth centuries they and their successors spread terror throughout Persia and Syria, and were fInally only put down after some 12,000 of them had been massacred. For some time small bodies of Assassins lingered on in the mountains of Syria, and some think the cult is not entirely dead even now. The herb which gave them their name, khashîsh, "Hashish", means in Arabic no more than "dried herbage". If used of a particular drug it properly requires some qualification, like "Red Hashish", meaning Belladonna, Deadly Nightshade. The word Hashish alone has become attached to one particular form, Cannabis sativa, or Hemp, and the enervating drug made from its resin. But it is difficult to believe that the "pot"-smokers of today, the weary dotards who wander listlessly round our cities and universities, are the spiritual successors of those drug-crazed enthusiasts who, regardless of their safety, stormed castles and stole as assassins into the strongholds of their enemies. If their "Hashish" correctly interprets Cannabis then the latter must represent some more potent drug. The Greek word Kannabis may now be traced to the Sumerian element GAN, "mushroom top", followed by the word which we saw earlier was part of the name of the New Testament Barnabas, and meant "red, speckled with white", denoting, in other words, the colour of the Amanita muscaria. As well as the transfer of its name to the less powerful "Hashish", it underwent a jumbling of its form to produce the Greek Panakes, a mysterious plant also called Asclepion (elsewhere used of the mushroom), which required atonement to the earth of various cereals when pulled up. It seems, therefore probable that the original Cannabis was the sacred fungus, and that the drug which stimulated the medieval Assassins to self-immolation was the same that brought the Zealots to their awful end on Masada a millennium earlier. Indeed, we may now seriously consider the possibility that the Assassin movement was but a resurgence of a cultic practice that was part of Islam from the beginning, and had its real origin thousands of years before that. It seems to be a pattern of religious movements based on the sacred fungus that long periods of relative calm and stagnation are interspersed with flashes of violent extremism which die away again after persecution, only to re-emerge in much later generations. In this, history is reflecting the action of the drug itself on its partakers. After hectic bouts of uncontrolled activity, the fungus-eater will collapse in a stupor from which only a resurgence of the stimulatory poison in his brain will arouse him. Israelitism was based upon the cult of the sacred fungus, as its tribal names and mythologies now show. The extremes of some of its adherents bred their own internal and external opposition, and after the disastrous rebellions against the Assyrians and Babylonians of the eighth and sixth centuries BC, a period of reaction set in, and the past was forcibly expunged from Judaism under the reform movements of the sixth-fifth centuries. The mushroom cult went underground to re-appear with even more disastrous results in the first and second centuries AD when the Zealots and their successors again challenged the might of Rome. Christianity purged itself after the holocaust and drove its drug-takers into the desert as "heretics", and eventually so conformed to the will of the State that in the fourth century it became an integral part of the ruling establishment. By then its priests were raising wafers and sweet wine at the altar and trying to convince their followers that the host had miraculously become the flesh and juice of the god. |
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