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Old 05-19-2007, 06:26 PM   #21
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Another angle on this type of perspective is found in The Existential Jesus by John Carroll. Jesus "shows the way" of the essence of human existence -- i.e. a man whole, without god and alone.

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Old 05-19-2007, 06:37 PM   #22
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How about the history of zero?
A seemingly benign subject that nevertheless could not escape the topic of Christianity.
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Old 05-19-2007, 09:21 PM   #23
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Because part of us knows there is something there, something extraordinary...but we can't seem to know what it is...whereas Jesus(in the gospels) knows and knows that he knows.
Better yet judge is that intuitly we also know that it is true for at least those of us who are exposed to it by our soul nature, which precisely is that part of us that we do not know until we know who we really and after that will have no soul left in eternity.
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Old 05-19-2007, 09:38 PM   #24
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I had absolutely no interest in Jesus prior to what was diagnosed as a hypermanic episode in 1985 (I was thirty seven). Jiri
Thirty seven is mid-life Jiri which is the right time for meno-pause to begin (meno means "I remain" as in "I become eternal") which really is what metamorphosis is all about. All the giants of human history went through this same experience at about that age (37-39).
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Old 05-19-2007, 10:12 PM   #25
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You could pick up on a new quest?

http://neonostalgia.com/weblog/?p=266
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Old 05-19-2007, 10:29 PM   #26
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It beats me, frankly, why anyone not a Christian is interested. I never was before I converted.
Of course, you are trying to steer the conversation towards your desired (yet poorly reasoned) conclusion: to wit, that the only reason skeptics and nonbelievers are interested in the origins of christianity is because they somehow realize that it must be true, and therefore they decide that it must be squelched or gainsayed.

However, a far more obvious answer to your question practically suggests itself - and has been relayed to you before: given the large impact of christianity on the western world, it might be useful to know something about it. Moreover, given the massive influence that christians wield over society, it might pay to know what motivates them.

I'm not a muslim. But I've studied islam extensively. Do you think a knowledge of islam, even by a non-believer of that religion, might be useful in the modern world?

Here's to hoping you can connect the rest of the dots for yourself.
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Old 05-19-2007, 10:35 PM   #27
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It beats me, frankly, why anyone not a Christian is interested. I never was before I converted.
This statement baffles me. Surely not only Olympian worshippers study the Greek Classics, or those who have altars to the Lares and Penates study the Roman Classics? I've studied Buddhist writings, early Christian writings, Jewish writings, Daoist writings. I study foreign languages, but I'm neither French, nor Latin, nor German, nor Greek, nor Hebrew, nor Aramaean, nor Russian, nor Italian, nor Egyptian.
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I've studied Buddhist writings, early Christian writings, Jewish writings, Daoist writings. I study foreign languages, but I'm neither French, nor Latin, nor German, nor Greek, nor Hebrew, nor Aramaean, nor Russian, nor Italian, nor Egyptian.
Yeah, but some people have a life! :Cheeky:

(You know I'm just kidding...everyone's taking things so personally lately...I'm bowing out for a while...still, thanks for your help elsewhere...later!)
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Old 05-19-2007, 11:52 PM   #29
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Yeah, but some people have a life! :Cheeky:

(You know I'm just kidding...everyone's taking things so personally lately...I'm bowing out for a while...still, thanks for your help elsewhere...later!)
I wasn't trying to be personal with Roger. I just don't understand where the comment came from.

And no problem, amice. Any time.
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Reminds me of another graffiti: appended to an oversized Jesus is the Answer on a billboard was a small-hand scrawl we know that but what is the damn question ?.

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