DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

Actually that was my bad, those links are about the Red Sea parting... the thread was about Noah's ark...
Like RAFH said this guy makes your brain cramp!

I think that's part of his strategy. Leading us down rabbit trails? to crush our Atheist Religious Faith?
Soon, we will all go insane and he'll take over as leader and make everyone drink grape Flavor Aid and cyanide out of vessels of honor to commit universal suicide...
Wow, cool song....

DamnItMan! TonyN's evil [but for the good] genius is working!

Jack the Bodiless

From Teti:
Now, Tony, let's bear in mind that there were supposedly eight people on Earth at this time.

So, who was "Teti"? Noah, Shem, Ham, or Japeth?

Who were his "high officials"? Who were his "palace bodyguards"?

Who was building their "funerary monuments that rivaled that of the Pharaoh"? Their wives? Their children?

Just how many people do you think it would take to build Teti's pyramid complex?

TonyN

I went to the first link and it stated:

"Note that the dates given must be regarded in most instances as approximate. Dating systems for Egyptian studies are quite various, depending on how they are constructed and what assumptions are used. Presented below is one such interpretation, but it is assuredly not the only one."

What need we say more? There has to be a gap because they were all destroyed in the flood. Egypt is not that far from where Noah and crew landed and re-settled Babylon. What is 100 - 200 years time in the thousands of years history of Egypt? That is like looking for a pin in a haystack.
After Noah, Shem, Ham and Japeth and families re-kick-started the re-population of the earth some people moved back into Egypt.

I am right.

TonyN

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Jack the Bodiless

Tony, why do you think that an assertion can be substituted for an argument?
There was no "Flood". So why does there have to be a gap? And where is it?
Noah and his crew were fictional characters.
You're talking about the MIDDLE of Egypt's Old Kingdom period! Fudging the dates won't help you, because exactly the same arguments would apply to Unas (note that Unas marks the end of the 5th Dynasty, but his successor Teti married Unas' daughter - NO gap here!). Or Djedkare Isesi... and so on.

There is no gap in which to insert the Pharaoh Noah, or the Pharaoh Shem, or the Pharaoh Ham, or the Pharaoh Japheth, or whatever other fictional character (and the population of reanimated zombie officials, scribes and workers) you are proposing!
No, they did not. You are still wrong.

show_no_mercy

Here's a webpage of iidb posts that I've compiled. TonyN should read it:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/jzq100/flood.html

RED DAVE

From show_no_mercy:
I read your link.

Why do you hate America and Jesus?

RED DAVE

post tenebras lux

If TonyN is suggestiong that the egyptian civilisation existed both pre- and post-flood, then surely he must also be suggesting that said egyptian civilisation also existed both before and after The Tower of Babel incident.

So was egyptian the original language used from Adam down until Shem? Or - at least - the original written form of the language?

RED DAVE

From RED DAVE:
From TonyN:
Indeed it does.

From TonyN:
I think you meant: "What more need we say?" The answer is: a lot. But let's continue.

From TonyN:
"Has to be," as in "must be" as in "there surely is"?

Note the difference between your intemperate remark and the judicious remark of the person or persons who wrote the caveat you quoted. What they wrote is called "integrity."

From TonyN:
Now, one more time: the flood is around 2346 BCE. In that year, the entire population of Egypt, including the entire class of scribes, is destroyed. Not only is there no mention of this, not only do documents made out of papyrus (that's paper made from reeds) survive, including colored pigment on them, but the production of documents is unabated, in the same language.

If you believe that, then please come visit us here in New York. There's a bridge for sale on very good terms.

From TonyN:
True: only a few hundred miles as the raven flies.

From TonyN:
So, now we have the same 8 people resettling Babylon and Egypt and let's not forget Mohenjo-Daro, China and a few far-flung places like North and South America, Australia and the rest of Asia and Africa. And preserving their cultures intact.

To paraphrase a friend of mine after his honeymoon: "[They] did a lot of fucking!" To which I would add: and a lot of studying. I wonder when they had the time to preserve all that culture while they were doing all that fucking?

From TonyN:
The problem is that there is no such gap. If you look at the record of the 6th Dynasty, there is no gap at all. What you are assert is a gap of several hundred years, at a specific time, which includes the death of the entire population of Egypt, plus a complete population revival, including no loss of culture, no economic collapse AND NO RECORD OF ALL THIS HAPPENING.

Think New Orleans.

Think Managua, capital of Nicaragua, mostly destroyed in an earthquake in 1972 and still partially depopulated even though the rest of the country was not damaged.

From TonyN:
No, it's like looking for a battlefield after the worst battle in history. It wouldn't be hard to find.

From TonyN:
And managed to totally revive the Egyptian economy and culture.

Here's a little link discussing the population of Ancient Egypt. About the time we're talking about, the end of the Old Kingdom and beginning of the Middle Kingdom, the population was about 2 million people.

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/people/index.html

Do you really believe that they were all killed and the society was revived with no record of this happening?

You really need to talk to George Bush. Maybe you have some ideas about how he and his stalwart few can revive Iraq.

From TonyN:
Well I am left. We'll just have to disagree as to what constitutes foolishness. Your notions are just plain silly.

I and others await your reply eagerly. (And don't forget to let George know how they did it.)

RED DAVE

psilocyber

"And the accusor said: Well I heard it from someone who was told it from someone who was told it from someone.

And the judge said: Well that's all we need for proof! Hang him high!"

Are you for real?

Science is not as word of mouth as you would hope, it is however based on verifiable data and repeatable results. I find it laughable that you condemn sciences supposed "shortcomings" when religion is based on the same word of mouth BS. I often liken religion to the longest and most destructive game of Telephone ever.

Science may have some shortcomings and has certainly not answered every question...but at least it is trying.

Some of us are just not content with the "God said" answer for everything.