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EthnAlln · 08-02-2006, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

There are atheists in any political system, the reason for this is because there appears to be no Gods. In some political systems, however, some people are forced to deny that certain gods exists and in others people are forced to say certain gods exist. For economical and financial reasons, people generally go 'with the flow' and follow the persuasion of the political system.

They certainly do. That's how the Mideast became first Christian, and later Muslim.

show_no_mercy · 08-02-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins

The argument of fine tuning is absurd. It'd be like rolling a die ten times, while recording the values and then saying that there was 1.65*10^-8 chance that the result would be the result that came up.

With regards to communism and atheism... was communism more like "anti-religion" than "a-theism" (anti in the sense of against, not disbelief). I know it seems like a semantics thing, but atheism isn't anti-religion. Communism was hostile and oppressive to religion, while atheism just doesn't believe in it. Is this a justified differentiation?

Communism did away with religion because a person couldn't have any loyalty higher than the state. This means that religion had to be abolished, the concept of the family unit had to be abolished (the state is more important than your mother/father - there are lots of documented cases of children turning in their parents) and all other forms of social gatherings where people might have been inclined to put that groups social values above the values of the state.

I would argue that Communism is just about as atheistic as pantheism - in other words, it's not. Communism just replaced one religion (god) with another (the state).

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