Magus55

How does being gay enable survival? The human anatomy was designed specifically for a man and a woman. Genes can't be passed on through 2 males or 2 females. Gay's don't fit into the model of natural selection, because they would die out without the ability to reproduce.

Abacus

This coming from someone who still believes in Adam and Eve, Jonah and the Whale, etc? I think I had figured out that it was all bullshit by the age of eight. What's taking you so long?

Hedwig

I know you hate joking...but I just have to say: Geez...no wonder Lucifer was pissed.

So you're saying that because we have "experienced the consequences of sin" that we won't sin in heaven. But if we fell once, surely it's not outside the realm of possibility that we could again. Especially if free will (as you claim) is still in effect in heaven. If we were capable of falling away from one paradise, even though we didn't know the consequences of sin at the time, then it's not impossible to think that it could happen again. What if god's done this a hundred thousand times? Created earth, populated it with humans, the humans fell, god sends some savior, savior saves humans, humans go to heaven, humans (after several eons and they've become less intimately acquainted with what happened during their earthly existence...or else what kind of heaven would it be if they were forced to feel freshly bad for the sins they committed on earth) fall away again, etc.

I know...very Matrix-ey. But then, I'm a sci-fi geek.

Magus55

Jesus only died once, and it was final. God hasn't and won't be sending Jesus to die ever again. Jesus is scarred with the wounds of His sacrifice for all eternity to remind us of what He did.

Hedwig

Well, there are several theories regarding a gay animal's role in nature. Since I'm not a biologist I couldn't really say. But I'd say the existance of gay animals popping up in nature (not just in humans) would be a good indication that it is a natural thing.

I know several gay people who have children. So obviously it's possible for them to reproduce and pass down their genes. And with what we are becoming more and more capable of scientifically, it's not outside the realm of possibility (Hedwig's catchphrase for the evening...hey, it's late. ) for gay people to perhaps one day have children made of their own genetic makeup entirely. But since this is GRD, I'll leave it there. (Sorry mods.)

But you didn't address my straight couple who decided not to get married (and, for a lark, let's make them sterile.) I'm bisexual so it's perfectly possible that I might meet a man I want to be with for a long time. But I'm adamantly against marriage. I just can't get around it's history in society. So I'll never marry. That's fornication according to your book. But how does it hurt anyone? (Especially if the sterility bit is actually a part of it.)

Abacus

Assuming that their reproductive organs are functional, homosexuals are just as capable of reproducing as heterosexuals.

Magus55

Not without a female/male mediator.

Hedwig

But do you know for sure? I mean, why would god advertise in your book that he failed repeatedly? God would have no reason to tell you this while you were on earth since it wouldn't have affected you.

Magus55

God hasn't and doesn't fail. You attribute failure to your lack of being perfect atm. God set up the world to be perfect. He declared it "good", which means perfect/the way its meant to be. God's creation decided to mess things up. God didn't fail, humans failed the "test" of obedience.

Hedwig

Some females of some species (not human) are capable of reproducing without the males. With advances in science...who knows?

Edit: Bloody buggery "90 second" fuction.