Gabe the Angel

Can someone help me out on this, is it just me or is the God from the OT not the same God from the NT. Could it be ther is more than one God, or is there some other explination?

DBT

Basically the the books of OT and the NT where written at different times and with different influences on the writers.

I think that the NT was partly shaped by Greek and Roman thought and philosophy and that brought a change in it's description of 'God'.

Other cultures had their own idea's to try to explain nature and the world.
And their own Gods.

IamMoose

No gods at all, hahaha.

Sorry, that was unhelpful Christians believe that the God of the OT and the NT are one, although certainly a cursory reading seems to reveal two very different beings. A Christian would tell you that Jesus came to fulfil the covenant that God made with His creation in the OT, or something like that.

post tenebras lux

I like to refer to 'the God of Moses' and 'the God of St. Paul' if I'm pointing out differences in the attitude/characteristics/logic of God in the OT and NT.

I usually don't have a problem with saying the God of Moses in isolation, but do have objections to God of St. Paul.
A: Why do you say St Paul
B: Cos he's the founder of Christianity
A: No he's not, Jesus was
B: as if/yeah right.

To me the differences can be quite large but there is often some basic connection between the two (unlike between these two and the Allah of Mohamed). I like to say that I consider that the Christian God evolved from/out of the God of Moses.

At that point they normally either agree or walk away whilst appearing to be quietly choking.

Were there any particular points you wished to have help clarifying (maybe better off in BC&H, though)?

Luxie

ten to the eleventh

There are as many Gods as there are believers. How's that for post-modernist theology?

Ojuice5001

All the below is just my opinion:

The god of the Old Testament and the god of the New Testament are the same. That's why the Jews have always lived side by side with Christians and the two have tried (emphasis on tried) to get along. The apparent differences between the two are because in the Old Testament Yahweh was relatively sovereign, not worried about being convincing to Gentiles, and not incarnated in Jesus. In the New Testament, Yahweh was subject to the Roman Empire and the gods worshipped therein, very concerned with how Gentiles saw him, and incarnated in Jesus. Big differences result from this.

However, Allah is an impostor, who says he's the same as Yahweh but is not. And although the Old Testament and New Testament gods are the same, that does not mean that there is only one god; there are a multitude of others.

Gregg

The Gnostics believed Yahweh was an evil god, the demiurge or something, who was responsible for creating the physical world and trapping human souls in physical bodies. For them Jesus was not really physical, and was a representative of the true god, helping us release our souls from their physical prisons. Or something like that.

jack_hunter

Do Jews and Christians believe in same God?

There is nothing "Jewish" regarding a "Messiah" who is considered
one of three god-persons who turned himself into a human being when
his human mother was impregnated by one of the other god-persons.

Jews don't think the God at Mt. Sinai is the same as the trinitarian
Christian's God,Christians believe Yahweh is Triune, Jews do not.


Halakha, Jewish law, allows a Jew to pray in a mosque but not in a church.
Islam and Judaism are not very far apart religiously.



Christians believe God has a father, a mother and a son, what
difference is there between Christianity and Hinduism then?!

It is interesting to note that Hindus also believe in Trinity and like
Christianity, their God has children and relatives.

Just read up on Hinduism and you will realize that the doctrines of
Hinduism and Christianity are very similar to each other.

The Hindus had a doctrine of the divine Trinity called Tri-murti
(Three-forms) consisting of Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva.This is much like
the Christian trinity of God as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.



There you have it! The truth of Pagan Christianity!


Pagan Hindu trinity
http://www.hindunet.org/god/trinity/

This is a mini statuette of the Hindus's Triune God
http://www.siamese-dream.com/statues...nity_mini.html

Sarpedon

I, too, am inclined to say no god. The fact that gods, supposedly immortal and perfect, change whenever their followers become uncomfortable with their image, is good evidence that they are merely fictitious persons. The idea that a deity could be "subjugated" by a nation of humans is laughable to an atheist, and blasphemous to most believers. In the OT/NT conflict we have the sturdiest evidence that religion is false, because man, wanting a sense of permanence and stability in a changing world, imagines a god who is perfect and unchanging. Man himself, is not unchanging, and before long desires a new god, also perfect and unchanging, but quite different from the old. Christianity is so successful because it has the trappings of permanence, while at the same time being quite flexible. Whether you be a fire and brimstone old testament type zealot, or a gentle hippy-type, or a voluptuary mary-worshipper, you can find it all under the aegis of this so-called perfect and unchanging belief system.

graymouser

Men create gods in their own images, so it is not surprising that different authors, prophets, apostles, theologians, priests, and lay people have followed starkly divergent gods. The original YHWH intended by the author of the Pentateuch was different from the YHWH Sabaoth of the Psalmists; the prophets or whoever wrote their books saw quite a different god, and the Christian Bible is more testament to the diversity of views on god (see "Mark" versus "Matthew" versus "Luke" versus "John," and the differences of the evangelists with the authentic Paul, the inauthentic Paul, and the other epistolary writers, all of whom are at odds with one another) than to one Jesus Christ.

Everyone who has ever written about a god is not revealing deep truths about the universe, but instead is showing either their view of how the universe is, or of how the universe ought to be. The entity running the universe is, naturally, more or less like them - the misanthropic John Calvin created a monstrous god, just as today religious humanists write their humanism onto the face of the universe in the guise of god. Theology reveals nothing about god whatsoever - but it tells us a lot about the theologian.

-Wayne