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Deus Ex · 11-12-2009, 09:44 AM

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I love this. It reduces the number of 'christians' to a bare handful.

So are the remaining 1 billion or so christians now apostates? What an amazingly arrogant belief.

The only coherent position from christianity's perspective is jaguar's. Since one of the pillars of christianity is that humans are fallible, due to the fall of AnE, our ability to figure things out...like the bible and what it means...is fallible and the only correct thing to do is accept the entire word of god as it is presented in the bible. J is right, the moment you start inserting your own interpretation, excluding some things and accepting others as having more importance is when you open the door to agnosticism and atheism...it's just one step away. That would be my message to SM as well.

That is a strictly Protestant viewpoint. Catholics place infallibility on the teaching authority of the Church--not the bible. Liberal Protestant Christianity is a step away from agnosticism--been there, done that.

Liberals are not the only ones that cherry pick the bible, fundamentalists do it too. Liberal Christians are just honest about it.

Self-Mutation · 11-12-2009, 10:22 PM

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The only coherent position from christianity's perspective is jaguar's. Since one of the pillars of christianity is that humans are fallible, due to the fall of AnE, our ability to figure things out...like the bible and what it means...is fallible and the only correct thing to do is accept the entire word of god as it is presented in the bible. J is right, the moment you start inserting your own interpretation, excluding some things and accepting others as having more importance is when you open the door to agnosticism and atheism...it's just one step away. That would be my message to SM as well.

That is a strictly Protestant viewpoint. Catholics place infallibility on the teaching authority of the Church--not the bible. Liberal Protestant Christianity is a step away from agnosticism--been there, done that.

Liberals are not the only ones that cherry pick the bible, fundamentalists do it too. Liberal Christians are just honest about it.

Name one instance of cherry picking.

Toto · 11-12-2009, 10:36 PM

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Name one instance of cherry picking.

How many fundamentalists have sold all of their possessions and given the money to the poor?

gdeering · 11-13-2009, 05:49 AM

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Name one instance of cherry picking.

Masturbation is not OK. Or was it early withdrawal :constern01: that was frowned on by God? We seems to have minimized it's importance over, say, biblically inspired hatred of homosexuality.

Failte · 11-13-2009, 08:23 AM

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Name one instance of cherry picking.

Condemned any adulterers to death lately? Is anyone in your church divorced and remarried?

rizdek · 11-13-2009, 08:56 PM

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That is a strictly Protestant viewpoint. Catholics place infallibility on the teaching authority of the Church--not the bible. Liberal Protestant Christianity is a step away from agnosticism--been there, done that.

Liberals are not the only ones that cherry pick the bible, fundamentalists do it too. Liberal Christians are just honest about it.

Name one instance of cherry picking.

From your previous post.

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Do not trust the Book of Revelation.

Sheshbazzar · 11-14-2009, 03:01 AM

Recently, we were advised by one of our 'christian' posters here not to trust The Gospel of John, and this week The Book of Revelation is added.

Funny thing is, over the years I have heard various christians tell me not to trust the Biblical accounts as given in the Book of Genesis,
or Exodus,
or Leviticus,
or Deuteronomy,
or Joshua,
or Kings,
or...Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah,......
Matthew, Luke, John,.....
Acts, James, Peter,......
and as pleased christian bias, all of the various others.

But then,.... they would still bring their favorite 'cherry picked' verses to the table from each of these 'untrustworthy books' to bolster whatever bias, argument, or religious conviction that it was that they were trying to impose.
Then these christian's wonder why we don't trust the account of The Bible? or any of the even more fabricated and utterly hokey claims of Christian 'witnessing'?

Newfie · 11-14-2009, 08:41 PM

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Name one instance of cherry picking.

Condemned any adulterers to death lately? Is anyone in your church divorced and remarried?

If Deuteronomy 22:22 were strictly enforced where would country music be today?

Jesus himself said that not an iota of the Law ought to be abandoned with his coming, yet how many Christians circumcise their children, or eat kosher?

Atheos · 11-17-2009, 02:40 PM

Do christian women ever speak in church? If they have questions do they keep their yap shut and wait until they can ask their husband at home? (I Cor 14:34-35)
Do christian women ever go around without a covering over their head? If so do they shave their heads as Paul commands in I Cor 11:6?
How many christians take up serpents, drink deadly things and heal sick by laying their hands on them (Mark 16:18)
How many christians who have a problem with lusting after women go ahead and pluck out their eyes so they can't look at women any more? Or kleptomaniac christians who cut off their hands so they can't steal?
How many christians actually believe that Satan took Jesus to a high mountain and from there they could look at all kingdoms of the earth in a single vista (flat earth)?

michaelJ · 11-18-2009, 12:34 AM

This has always been an interesting question to me and I think that this is one of the area where the literal christians would have a problem reconciling what they say to what the bible says.

The bible puts emphasis on the physical body being raised from the dead and liken death to sleeping. Although the souls might be in heaven, I wonder whether the soul as understood by the bible actually contained our essence but not our personality.
I'm surprised that some Christians want to push the mind-brain dualism where modern science actually supports an interpretation of the bible that requires the body and brain to be present for us to be present.

11-17-2009, 02:40 PM	#19
Atheos Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Heart of the Bible Belt Posts: 5,807	Cherry picking! Not just for breakfast any more! Do christian women ever speak in church? If they have questions do they keep their yap shut and wait until they can ask their husband at home? (I Cor 14:34-35) Do christian women ever go around without a covering over their head? If so do they shave their heads as Paul commands in I Cor 11:6? How many christians take up serpents, drink deadly things and heal sick by laying their hands on them (Mark 16:18) How many christians who have a problem with lusting after women go ahead and pluck out their eyes so they can't look at women any more? Or kleptomaniac christians who cut off their hands so they can't steal? How many christians actually believe that Satan took Jesus to a high mountain and from there they could look at all kingdoms of the earth in a single vista (flat earth)?

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11-14-2009, 03:01 AM	#17
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Recently, we were advised by one of our 'christian' posters here not to trust The Gospel of John, and this week The Book of Revelation is added. Funny thing is, over the years I have heard various christians tell me not to trust the Biblical accounts as given in the Book of Genesis, or Exodus, or Leviticus, or Deuteronomy, or Joshua, or Kings, or...Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah,...... Matthew, Luke, John,..... Acts, James, Peter,...... and as pleased christian bias, all of the various others. But then,.... they would still bring their favorite 'cherry picked' verses to the table from each of these 'untrustworthy books' to bolster whatever bias, argument, or religious conviction that it was that they were trying to impose. Then these christian's wonder why we don't trust the account of The Bible? or any of the even more fabricated and utterly hokey claims of Christian 'witnessing'?

11-18-2009, 12:34 AM	#20
michaelJ New Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3	This has always been an interesting question to me and I think that this is one of the area where the literal christians would have a problem reconciling what they say to what the bible says. The bible puts emphasis on the physical body being raised from the dead and liken death to sleeping. Although the souls might be in heaven, I wonder whether the soul as understood by the bible actually contained our essence but not our personality. I'm surprised that some Christians want to push the mind-brain dualism where modern science actually supports an interpretation of the bible that requires the body and brain to be present for us to be present.

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