Chili

But it is not my ambition to convince you, and make that a million for all I care as if they missed only one that would be one too many.

Yes, at times they were busy and needed craftsmen to built the fancy metaphors they used for execution.

Chili

To this very day 'to accept Jesus' is heresy in Catholicism and we have a side altar for Mary and Jesus is just a stepping stone to life her up. I actually think he is the floor rag in front of that altar in some churches.

Sheshbazzar

Care to support these statements with specific quotations from The Catechism of the Catholic Church?

sotto voce

I refer you to post #2.

The Decalogue now does not apply to anyone, if Jesus is to be believed; or even if history is to be believed, because the nation to which this criminal law applied, from whom it originated, has not existed since 136 CE. As law, it is a dead letter. As morality, it is too obvious to state.

So, obviously, in that context, "You shall not kill" meant "You shall not murder". Capital punishment, for murder and other offences, was one exception. National defence was another. If Jesus is to be believed, the motive behind murder, greed, hatred, passion of any kind, is as deadly as murder; as lust is as deadly as adultery, or rape. Jesus was not very concerned with temporal law, but with immutable eternal law, that is concerned with 'the heart', or motives.

In the biblical scheme of things, those who hate, who murder, who are treacherous, who have uncontrolled passions, are not acceptable to the creator. However, they are not instantly destroyed, but given opportunity to change their minds. It is not for the church to pre-judge the issue, but to leave judgment to deity. It is not for the church to persecute wrong-doers, but to suffer their wrongs, having faith that justice will be done in the end. That's what faith means. Those who take law into their own hands by that very fact have not faith, but fear. Those who claim to take divine law into their own hands in order to persecute the church by that very fact are egregious antichrists, and are of criminal nature. In the biblical perspective, they are of the kind referred to by this:

'Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.' Jer 13:23

But even the reprobate must be left to their hypocrisies, their 'holy' evils, and not destroyed as they fully deserve. They are to fulfil their roles, to allow them to shamelessly show their real natures, as undeniable evidence at their own trials. In the biblical perspective, the worst people are religious, as well as the best. In the biblical perspective, God is a rope-maker and supplier. It is up to individuals what they do with their rope, and they all must take it to completion.

Chili

Maybe I owe you an apology here or at least clarify the allegory so you may not be insulted here.

If the 'sheep hear the shepherds voice' it can be said that the have relations with understanding by experience for their own good as he will always lead them to greener pastures. There so is a trust between them based on truth and goats do not have that in direction and so they are their enemy to be slain as deception. So I call them the 'goats' you entertain here now slain as lies in the protection of the flock that they may not be scattered.

So I am not denying the events you are about as tending sheep in foreign lands is also the duty of the shepherd who's sheep are his to call them sheep.

Such then are lies for Muslims where the Iman should know where the herd is going of his 'whatever' as long as they are not swine as they will eat each other.

Chili

I do not own a Cathechism and just do what Catholics do and always thought they wrote that for the protestants. But we have the Coronation of Mary on closing day and salute Her on the way out. Oh right, and it starts again with the Annunciation after the "Ordinary time' on their Catholic Calender where happy-go-lucky summertime is at. Of course we had the dark days of winter here and maybe you do not know them.

But can you understand it to be true if he is the cocoon that is left behind after metamorphosis? . . . representing now the Adam identified by self awareness and here now to be cruficied as second Adam clearly isolated?

Sheshbazzar

I'm sure that 'The Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition' of The Holy Roman Catholic Church, would upon examination of your writings, and of you, be quite satified to consign both to the flames.

Diogenes the Cynic

The Gospels don't quote Jesus as saying anything of the sort. They claim he said just the opposite, in fact - that people should obey the Pharisees and that "not one jot or tittle" would be repealed until the end of the world.

It was Paul who said the law was no longer valid, not Jesus.

Diogenes the Cynic

I would still like to know who the "servants" are supposed to symbolize in the parable.

Chili

. . . either that or make me pope.