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mountainman · 10-24-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by J-D

And what does it mean to describe a conjecture as having hegemony?

Take for example the conjecture:
that "an historical jesus existed".

This conjecture in the field of ancient history
has been maintained by the christian hegemon
since the fourth century, and supported by
military resources, since that time.

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But what makes you say that hegemony is seldom admitted?

The specific conjecture of an HJ is in fact an
unexamined postulate of the Christian hegemon
and is seldom admitted to be such.

J-D · 10-24-2007, 11:08 PM

Who or what do you mean when you refer to 'the Christian hegemon'?

mountainman · 10-25-2007, 12:19 AM

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Hegemony is a concept that has been used to describe the existence of dominance of one social group over another, such that the ruling group -- referred to as a hegemon -- acquires some degree of consent from the subordinate, as opposed to dominance purely by force.

Unexamined, presumptive and generalised christian
"dominance" over non-christian people and ideas
due to a prevailing "christian hegemon".

Here is a concrete historical example

mountainman · 10-25-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by J-D

Who or what do you mean when you refer to 'the Christian hegemon'?

Christianity itself, and specifically in regard to its
self-proclaimed ancient historical roots and heritage.

J-D · 10-25-2007, 12:39 AM

That's what philosophers call a 'category error'. 'Christianity' is not the sort of thing that can be a hegemon.

mountainman · 10-25-2007, 07:23 AM

why not?

Amaleq13 · 10-25-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by J-D

That's what philosophers call a 'category error'. 'Christianity' is not the sort of thing that can be a hegemon.

hegemony n. The predominant influence, as of a state, region, or group, over another or others. -American Heritage

Why can't a religion be a "predominant influence"?

Chris Weimer · 10-25-2007, 09:11 AM

Toto:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman

Hegemon is seldom admitted.

Now, if he was confused and really meant hegemony, it would be ok. But hegemon here isn't proper.

"Leader is seldom admitted."

Roger Pearse · 10-25-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Amaleq13

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-D

That's what philosophers call a 'category error'. 'Christianity' is not the sort of thing that can be a hegemon.

hegemony n. The predominant influence, as of a state, region, or group, over another or others. -American Heritage

Why can't a religion be a "predominant influence"?

It can, of course. But probably the confusion is because 'hegemon' is also a noun, indicating an official in various eastern orthodox churches (the term appears in the History of the Coptic Patriarchs of Alexandria for instance).

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Amaleq13 · 10-25-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

Now, if he was confused and really meant hegemony, it would be ok. But hegemon here isn't proper.

"Leader is seldom admitted."

hegemon n. One that exercises hegemony.

"That Christianity was a [h]egemon is seldom admitted." appears to be the intended meaning.

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