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John A. Broussard · 12-22-2005, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Half-Life

What about in revelation where it says "depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire?" Does this not indicate torment for eternity?

Also after Judas betrays Jesus, Jesus says "it would have been better had you not been born." Now, if there is no torment or torture, why would Jesus say this?

There has to be punishment, right?

Absolutely.

And, along with those deserving punishment, all of the innocent have to suffer, too.

Your god is, after all, the supreme sadist. He/she/it enjoys watching people suffer.

God long ago planned to create human beings and also create a hell for the vast majority of those human beings.

That's known as thinking ahead.

Philadelphia Lawyer · 12-22-2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Orthodox_Freethinker

Once again, you are reading me incorrectly. In order to discern the meaning of Scripture, we must look toward the consensus of the saints and theologians of the early church. This is because they were the closest in proximity and time to the original authors. Individual interpretation is meaningless if not supported by 2,000 years of Christian tradition.

What evidence do you have that the "consensus" view of the the theologians and and saints of the early Church was not a hell of eternal, physical suffering. The sources I have seen claim that the consensus view was the opposite of what you claim. According to these sources, the views of Gergory of Nyssa and Origen were exceptions to this consensus. Do you have any evidence that this is not the case?

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