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Old 10-11-2011, 05:51 PM   #51
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Please, gMark has ZERO to do with the Pauline writings. ZERO. The Pauline writings and Acts of the Apostles are MASSIVE FORGERIES written well after the 1ST century based on gMark, gMatthew, Justin Martyr, "Against Heresies" 2.22 and Aristide's Apology.

I will NOT accept any PRESUMPTIONS at all about the Pauline writings. P 46 has been dated to the mid 2nd-3rd century.
Please, if your statement 'The Pauline writings and Acts of the Apostles are MASSIVE FORGERIES written well after the 1ST century based on gMark, gMatthew, Justin Martyr, "Against Heresies" 2.22 and Aristide's Apology' is NOT a presumption you have accepted about the Pauline writings, then what is it?
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In the NT Jesus was NOT an apocalyptic preacher. Jesus was the Child of a Holy Ghost, the Word that was God and the Creator and a DEVEIVER.
Some statements in the New Testament say that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit or was the Word that was God, while other statements in the New Testament say other things about him. Some of those statements are things that cannot possibly be historically true, while others are things that might or might not be historically true.
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.... Jesus was NOT an apocalyptic preacher in the NT, he was a DECEIVER, a Ghost Child that did NOT want the Jews to be SAVED but to be SUDDENLY destroyed.

In the NT, Jesus, the DECEIVER, had NO GOOD NEWS for the Jews. UP to NOW.
So Jesus wanted to destroy the Jews?

That's new.
It is NOT news. It was known over 1600 years ago. You need to read the EXTANT CODICES and stop inventing your own history.

In the NT, Jesus came to FULFILL the words of the Prophets NOT to save the Jews.

It must be obvious that If Jesus SAVED Jews from Destruction then the Prophets would all be FALSE.

Jerusalem and the Temple MUST fall.

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11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables .............lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.....
In the NT, Jesus was a DECEIVER. Instead of giving the Jews the Good News and the Bad News he gave ONLY Good News and then SECRETLY told his disciples about the Bad News.

What was the Bad News?---There would be NO GOOD NEWS for the Jews up to this very day.

gMark's Jesus was a DECEIVER not an apocalyptic preacher.
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So Jesus wanted to destroy the Jews?

That's new.
It is NOT news. It was known over 1600 years ago. You need to read the EXTANT CODICES and stop inventing your own history.

In the NT, Jesus came to FULFILL the words of the Prophets NOT to save the Jews.

It must be obvious that If Jesus SAVED Jews from Destruction then the Prophets would all be FALSE.

Jerusalem and the Temple MUST fall.

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11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables .............lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.....
In the NT, Jesus was a DECEIVER. Instead of giving the Jews the Good News and the Bad News he gave ONLY Good News and then SECRETLY told his disciples about the Bad News.

What was the Bad News?---There would be NO GOOD NEWS for the Jews up to this very day.

gMark's Jesus was a DECEIVER not an apocalyptic preacher.
So I'm inventing history, and you're not.

Ok ...
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Please, gMark has ZERO to do with the Pauline writings. ZERO. The Pauline writings and Acts of the Apostles are MASSIVE FORGERIES written well after the 1ST century based on gMark, gMatthew, Justin Martyr, "Against Heresies" 2.22 and Aristide's Apology.

I will NOT accept any PRESUMPTIONS at all about the Pauline writings. P 46 has been dated to the mid 2nd-3rd century.
Please, if your statement 'The Pauline writings and Acts of the Apostles are MASSIVE FORGERIES written well after the 1ST century based on gMark, gMatthew, Justin Martyr, "Against Heresies" 2.22 and Aristide's Apology' is NOT a presumption you have accepted about the Pauline writings, then what is it?
lol, good point. I call it massive frustration, heaps of it here.
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So I'm inventing history, and you're not.

Ok ...
You claimed Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher yet have NOT shown the source for your claim.

I stated that NT Jesus was a DECEIVER and showed you Mark 4 where gMark's Jesus SECRETLY tells his disciples that he SPEAKS in parables to the Jews so that they would REMAIN in Sin.

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11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables .............lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.....
But, now look the DECEPTION of Jesus at Mark 2

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And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
So, it is CLEAR. Jesus in gMark is a DECEIVER. He eats and drinks with the Jews but SECRETLY want them to DIE in their sins.

Please, now show that Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher or else I will maintain that you are an inventor of your own imaginative history of HJ.

I need credible SOURCES for your apocalyptic HJ not Ghost stories.
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Must be Paranoid Personality Disorder.
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I don't deny that the author of gMark meant to suggest that Jesus was the Messiah.

My point is that he chose to do so in an indirect fashion. And the best reason to go about it that way is to provoke thought. Down the line, someone apparently thought Mark was too vague and added the post resurrection verses.
You're still saying suggest. What will convince you that Jesus, the son of David, was the Messiah according to Mark?

Jesus stated he's the Messiah in Mark. I'm not even talking about the first or last chapter. Check again the verses I mentioned.
Something tells me that if *you* had written gMark, it would've turned out differently.

I don't think you understand my point at all. So never mind.
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You're still saying suggest. What will convince you that Jesus, the son of David, was the Messiah according to Mark?

Jesus stated he's the Messiah in Mark. I'm not even talking about the first or last chapter. Check again the verses I mentioned.
Something tells me that if *you* had written gMark, it would've turned out differently.

I don't think you understand my point at all. So never mind.
Don't need to change anything.

The bit of vagueness there is due to Jesus himself being vague, not the author or whatever. The author of Mark believed Jesus to be the Messiah, thus the verses.

It makes sense psychologically and culturally for Jesus to be vague at times. Claiming to be the Messiah meant something big in the sight of other Jews.
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It makes sense psychologically and culturally for Jesus to be vague at times.
Why? How does it make sense? Why shouldn't Jesus, as the son of God, not apply Occam's razor to his teachings and put everything clearly, succinctly and parsimoniously as possible?

Vague for psychological and cultural reasons is too vague.
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