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Old 03-12-2012, 05:05 PM   #321
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I am not going to let you off the hook.

You stated, " its amazing how ignorant people are to the scientific methods of historians, and modern scholarships".

Please state the Scientific methods used by historians to put forward the idea that Jesus of Nazareth did exist and was baptized by John and crucified under Pilate.

You may very well be ignorant of the fact that even Ehrman claimed the Gospels and the sources for the Gospels are NOT historically reliable.
Your ignorance is noted


Pilate may have had nothing to do with the crucifiction.

Of course the bible is not relaible


But neither are many other text used in creating history not debated at all.



Please dont ask silly useless questions when you can use a modern feature called google to answer your questions regarding Historicity and Historians and modern Scholarships.


You dont have the education to discredit them with any credibility and your arguements are weak
False

jesus was written about in a mythical nature as were many other known mortal men.


welcome to the roman hellenization of judaism


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..jesus was written about in a mythical nature as were many other known mortal men.
Your IMAGINATION is noted.

You appear to be WHOLLY ignorant of Greek and Roman Mythology.

You appear to be WHOLLY ignorant of an Apologetic source that claimed Jesus is just like the Mythology of the Greeks and Romans.

You appear to be WHOLLY ignorant that characters described as human may be MYTHS like Romulus and Remus.

To prove that you have IMAGINED your history of your Jesus I NOW ASK that you present a credible non-apologetic source that described your historical Jesus.

I did NOT ask for your IMAGINATION. I asked for a credible non-apologetic source that historicized your Jesus.
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..jesus was written about in a mythical nature as were many other known mortal men.
Your IMAGINATION is noted.

You appear to be WHOLLY ignorant of Greek and Roman Mythology.

You appear to be WHOLLY ignorant of an Apologetic source that claimed Jesus is just like the Mythology of the Greeks and Romans.

You appear to be WHOLLY ignorant that characters described as human may be MYTHS like Romulus and Remus.

To prove that you have IMAGINED your history of your Jesus I NOW ASK that you present a credible non-apologetic source that described your historical Jesus.

I did NOT ask for your IMAGINATION. I asked for a credible non-apologetic source that historicized your Jesus.
false again.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_jesus


Most contemporary scholars agree that Jesus was a Jew who was regarded as a teacher and healer, that he was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect of Judaea, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire


HOW you can refute all modern scholars from a point of ignorance on the subject?
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Most contemporary scholars agree that Jesus was a Jew who was regarded as a teacher and healer, that he was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect of Judaea, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire


HOW you can refute all modern scholars from a point of ignorance on the subject?
Please Identify yourself.

You are NOT a modern Scholar????

Are you making statements from a point of ignorance on the subject???

Did you not admit that you are NOT a Scholar???

You hardly supply more than a few RHETORICAL words and hardly any evidence.

I suspect you may be arguing from a point of ignorance.

It would seem that you are ignorant of the fact that NOT all modern Scholars agree about the nature of Jesus.


It would seem that you are ignorant of the FACT there is STILL a QUEST for the Historical Jesus which is now over 250 years old and have been abandoned MORE THAN ONCE due to lack of historical and credible evidence.

You seem ignorant of the FACT that Jesus of the NT is MYTH Jesus [the Jesus of Faith] and that is PRECISELY why there is a SEARCH for HJ.

HJ will NOT ever be found. I hope you are NOT ignorant of the FACT that NO evidence has surfaced for HJ of Nazareth for the LAST 1800 years and counting.
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Most contemporary scholars agree that Jesus was a Jew who was regarded as a teacher and healer, that he was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect of Judaea, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire


HOW you can refute all modern scholars from a point of ignorance on the subject?
Without even thinking about defending aa . . . I am not ignorant on the subject. The arguments employed by those modern scholars to which you appeal are, all of them, either invalid or circular. Is that refutation enough to suit you?
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Most contemporary scholars agree that Jesus was a Jew who was regarded as a teacher and healer, that he was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect of Judaea, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire


HOW you can refute all modern scholars from a point of ignorance on the subject?
Without even thinking about defending aa . . . I am not ignorant on the subject. The arguments employed by those modern scholars to which you appeal are, all of them, either invalid or circular. Is that refutation enough to suit you?


I agree, and there are biases as well.


Personaly, Im about 55% for and 45% myth. But I still think the evidence is overwhelming for a real teacher that was run up a cross.

We have a hellenized roman version of what was a teacher of judaism who would have hated the roman infection to weed through to find historicity. No one said it was easy.

its cross culture, its why its so confusing. Im also sure jesus had alot more zealot in his stories that in no way shape or form would have ever been added.



but what really gets me is when we look at other mortal men not in dispute that were deified within hellenization, less is known about them, then we know about jesus, which is very little
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.... I still think the evidence is overwhelming for a real teacher that was run up a cross....
In this very same post you will CONTRADICT yourself. You really know VERY LITTLE about your Jesus.


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...but what really gets me is when we look at other mortal men not in dispute that were deified within hellenization, less is known about them, then we know about jesus, which is very little
You now claim there is very little KNOWN OF YOUR Jesus when you should have said there was really NONE.

There is NO overwhelming evidence for YOUR mortal man Jesus.

There is OVERWHELMING evidence for MYTH Jesus.

The Entire NT is about Myth Jesus [the Jesus of FAITH].
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You really know VERY LITTLE about your Jesus
we all know very little about the real life of jesus and what he reallt taught and who he really healed.




there are many people we know less about and their historicty is not argued at all
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You really know VERY LITTLE about your Jesus
we all know very little about the real life of jesus and what he reallt taught and who he really healed....
So, there is NO overwhelming evidence for your Jesus. You most likely knew all along that you did NOT know anything about your Jesus.

In fact, it is the REVERSE.

There are HUNDREDS of sources of antiquity that ADMIT Jesus was the Son of a Sinless Ghost.

There are MANY CODICES and Apologetic writings that have been found and they have MASSIVE amounts of details about Myth Jesus.

We probably have more information from antiquity about Myth Jesus that any other character real or imagined.

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....there are many people we know less about and their historicty is not argued at all
Your argument does NOT make much sense. In the NT, Gabriel was an ANGEL, SATAN was the DEVIL, the True God was the God of the Jews and Jesus was the Son of a SINLESS Ghost WITHOUT a human father.

The Jesus story is a Myth Fable.

If Jesus was a MYTH then we would expect to have NO credible sources and that is PRECISELY the situation.

The theory that Jesus was MYTH cannot be overturned up to INFINITY EXCEPT credible evidence surfaces.
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