jakejonesiv

Kevin,

Brilliant! Simply Brilliant!

This could be the tagline of many posts. You know, the ones where the issue is a mispelled word in someone's post, or a wrong first name given, or disputes about page numbers, or soviet tanks, designations, or endless questions without offering anything substanative in return.

May I quote you on this?

Jake Jones IV

jgibson000

Not yet, you haven't -- at least with respect the particular works in which the scholars I named in message 3597455 speak about the ARCONTES in 1 Cor 2:6-8 as earthly rules that you have agreed that your sense of fair play obliges you to provide

Umm, you asked me to provide citations long before you knew I was "on vacation". And you asked me to do so tout suit.

I'm only asking you to follow the rules you set up for this exchange.

No I didn't. If you'll look at what I actually wrote, namely,

"Can you tell us all that Bousset or Betz said and what is wrong with Bousset's argument?"

I asked for you to tell me what is wrong with the argument that Bousset mounted against the JM idea in his 1904 article.

So if you are going to make chastize me for asking a stupid question, the least you could do is to ensure that you get right what the question is that I'm asking.

Now back to Bousset -- what are the particular points against the JM idea that Bousset raised in his 1904 article and what specifically are your critiques of them?

Jeffrey Gibson

krosero

I told Earl that I had good reasons to read the whole of his piece (reasons that I had decided on as soon as he posted a link, after I went to the essay and read the conclusion), and that I would do so after traveling. I'm sure Earl got the point that I left the substantive part of his work for later because I actually am not in the habit of ignoring or superficially reading anything important that he writes, and that I wanted to read his specific claims when I had time to consider them fairly.

You jumped in ungraciously, as you do so many times, and called this pathetic. Now, why is it that my traveling is not a good excuse, but your having a job (as everyone does, presumably) is supposedly a perfectly good excuse?

This is first-class hypocrisy, Ted -- and not just for one reason. It's also because when you use a word like "pathetic", it's trash-talk (your specialty; I've never seen anyone better), just an emotional jab -- yet you're known for aggressively telling historicists that they have no right to indulge in such talk about mythicism and that their only responsibility is to come up with substantive arguments.

First-class hypocrisy.

You want to keep begging off from providing the substantive answers that Jeffey is requesting? You want to keep adding to Exhibit A in how mythicists misread and misrepresent others by doing so with our writings nearly every time you have spoken in this thread?

I have no more time for your garbage -- and for the time being I will literally have no time for anyone, so if you want to make something of this, go right ahead. Be very sure you don't talk more trash or misrepresent somebody.

Kevin Rosero

Ted Hoffman

Jeffrey, you asked:
[EMphasis mine]
Make up your mind: Bousset or Betz?

I never gave you a list of scholara then demanded a text of the scholars' dicsussions as well as the bibliographical data regarding where their discussions are to be found.
I gave a list of references. Name, title and page number and even the year. You give me that. Not a list. Or forget it.
I quoted the following from Doherty:
And you have provided:
Are you serious?

Ted Hoffman

Kevin, enjoy your travel. I am sure many here will be interested in seeing your response when you get time.

jgibson000

Just one more note on this. How is the fact that I have one degree and you another have any bearing on your ability or willingness to provide requested bibliographical data or quotations? I cannot for the life of me see that having a doctorate means I am somehow more skilled at this than you are, let alone that having a degree of any kind is a sine qua non for being able to comply with the request.

Could it be that in your comparison of our states, we have an interesting example of an Ignoratio elenchi married with an argumentum ad misericordiam.

Jeffrey Gibson

Ted Hoffman

I have provided more info - author, title and page number - than you. So there is no reciprocity.
Being a PhD, I would expect you to have easier access to these books than me because my local lib doesn't have much in terms of books on Biblical Studies.
Plus, you are a PhD who is on vacation.

Ted Hoffman

Jeffrey, are the alleged misrepresentations over?

krosero

Thank you -- but make a note, there has been no agreement between us that I will be responding to it. What I read and write is my own choice and is not dictated by anyone, least of all you. I have not said anything about Earl's piece, and I do not decide ahead of time to respond to anything before I have read it.

Kevin Rosero

Ted Hoffman

Of course Kevin. Of course.