Sheshbazzar

If you note I wrote; "I most certainly DO NOT believe these mythical events ever took place."
you might detect that your objections indicate that you are missing the point.
It is what these writings can lead the 'Gentiles' to believe, and what that calculated deception would lead to.

NONE OF THIS EVER HAPPENED. Quibbling about the mythical textual details does not alter that fact.
You are still failing to see the forest because of all of the trees that get in your way.

The NT Gospels -all of them-, are political propaganda documents that were deliberately forged and planted
with the express purpose of being misleading to the Greko-Roman goyim, and subversive of the Roman system in particular.

A papyrus time bomb, a Trojan Horse set in the midst of the gentiles by a people whose backs were against the wall.
Our vaunted 'Western Civilization' has been the product of a clever ruse and deception.
Rome and the christian religion, the pillars and groundwork of Western Civilization, are set to be put to open shame,
utterly humiliated, and destroyed within an hours time.





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mountainman

Quibble ..... Egypto-Greko-Roman goyim .... which Arnaldo Momigliano as erudite as he was was happy to call the "Pagans" in his book On Pagans, Jews, and Christians (or via: amazon.co.uk). The addition of the Egypto- elements describes the conditions in Alexandria and the source of much Greek learning. It also explains quite simply why some of the "Gnostic Gospels" (and the Nag Hammadi texts) make reference to Seth and other elements of the Egyptian conceptual framework.




Set and PRESERVED for centuries by a class of people who were very capable of lying about history.



The Christians must have stolen the prestige of Plato's divinity, academy and apostolic lineage after it was sponsored by the Emperor Galienus in the 3rd century. The Platonist philosophy underpinning Christian theological doctrine was certainly assumed by heresiological Christian identities such as Augustine and others. See The Legacy of Greece (Oxford).



Socrates critical questioning is indeed a menace to the Christian nation. Christianity authoritatively suppressed the Greek intellectual tradition for a thousand or more years but people continued to ask questions.

The strange lynch mob in Matthew is just another seam of the fabrication falling loose.

aa5874

Well, in antiquity it would appear that gMark's story was gobbled up by the author of gMatthew and he added some more shit.

gMark's story appears to have been extremely Plausible shit in antiquity and the authors of the Synoptics loved the shit he wrote and emulated it.

Sheshbazzar

Yes Pete. Right you are, Egypt certainly needs inclusion...and through these three major cultures every other nation that the Gospels spread to becomes infected.
Just so you are clear on what I have been saying, and to bring anyone else up to speed.
I am positing that the NT proto-Gospels and proto-Pauline epistles were produced (fabricated) by a group of anonymous Jewish writers. They were not at all 'christians', and were not at all believers in the content of these NT subversive political propaganda writings they were producing.

These Jews were using the most powerful arsenal they had at their disposal to produce a series of counterfeit religious texts intended to be subversive of the political powers and governments that they lacked the military might to defeat on any physical battlefield.
Through means of these pseudo-religious texts they effectively accomplished shifting the battle to a entirely different venue, one of concepts and doctrines and religious matters, in which their own culture and religion was the most crafty, experienced, and proficient of them all.

Once the plot was hatched, these subversive political propaganda writings, termed 'The Good News' ('Gospel') were quickly distributed into the Egyptian, Greek, and Roman provinces like so many Trojan Horse ticking time bombs.
The gullible Gentiles fell for the ruse, took the bait, and quickly embraced these tall-tales as being genuine reports, and the founding documents of their 'new' religion. And many Jews were more than happy to go out and assist in the reinforcing of the Gentiles religious delusions.

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aa5874

I really don't understand how the Jews would have benefited politically by portraying themselves as a LYNCH Mob in their supposed counterfeit texts.

Your proposal is extremely bizarre.

In the NT, Jesus claimed the Jews were of their FATHER the DEVIL so I really don't know how such a claim would be of any use as subversive political propaganda.

If the Jews wrote the Gospels as subversive political propaganda then explain the Gospel according to John

John 8:44 - It is clear than John 8.44 destroys your proposal that Jews wrote the Gospels as subversive political propaganda.

It is the COMPLETE Opposite.

There are ZERO records that any Jew wrote any of the Gospels. The Gospels depict the Jews as Evil and of the DEVIL..

Non-Jews appear to have written the Gospels as "subversive political propaganda" but LATER, inadvertently, NON-Jews became Victims of their propaganda about 200 years later, in the 4th century, when Constantine made the "Anti-Christ" of the Jews, MYTH Jesus Christ, the NEW GOD of the Roman Empire.

steve_bnk

If you ere going to fabricate, why pick an itinerent wnadering Jewish preacher as the central character withtghe bibleast he backfrop?

Does anyone kinow what th state of popular fictioin was back then? Were there fiction writers?

Duvduv

Steve, could you fix your spelling and elaborate on your point a bit more?

steve_bnk

I would have to fix my eyes, got an app for that?

If the gospels and the tales are fabricated, what was the state of literature and fiction in the times? Why pick a wandering rabai as a central character?

'The lynching' in various forms, physical and emotional, is a common plot device in modern literature and entertainment.

Sheshbazzar

Perhaps the tactics of successful political and religious subversion simply escape your ability to comprehend.

To be effective, it is imperative to tell the enemy exactly what he wishes to hear; These harsh slams against the Jewish people were required to get their adversaries to swallow the bait.

Oh really?
Good luck with producing any records stating that the Gospel's were NOT written by those well known JEWS identified as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

You do recognize what you are saying here??

-This only further evidences that the Jewish instigated subversion was very effective and was working, causing the enemy to turn its wrath and its military might against its own peoples while pretty much forgetting the former Jewish problem.

Got no time for those backward Jews when you are so busy with killing off all the your heretics, and fighting religious wars against your own 'gentile' peoples!
The 'conversion' of Constantine was a godsend to the Jewish people!

The Jews could not hang their adversaries, so they did the next best thing. They cleverly provided their enemies with more than enough (religious) rope for them to hang themselves.





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mountainman

Was Homer fiction? Were the myths of the Egyptians and Greeks and Romans and Persians and Celts fiction? Were the stories told about the earth at the center of the cosmos, to whom the gods and the demi-urges and the daemons and the angels and the "Little People" (surely "Hobbits") travelled and appeared to humans, stories which were non fiction?


Were there any non-fiction writers in antiquity besides the canonical Gospel authors ?