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Queen of Swords · 01-03-2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by atechnie

Queen of Swords: It's a "she" dammit.

I prostrate myself before you and beg your forgiveness, O Great Female One. I would also like to humbly congratulate you on your pro-feminist position as True Goddess.

Agnostic Theist · 01-03-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Salieri

which post?

This post...

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Originally Posted by Agnostic Beast

Non sequitur. If I believed his words, I wouldn't antagonise people who agree with me. Hence I'm mocking Jesus

P > Q
P
________
R

to put it in simple propositional logic terms.

Now, if we speak in the good old idiosyncratic english language that we're all used to (except Welsh - cos they don't speak any coherent language :Cheeky: )...

I have not heard Jesus' words. You are overlooking a myriad possibilities, viz.

He was mad

He lied

The accounts of his words are false

The accounts of his words are inaccurate

You're beating a strawman of what he preached

Mageth · 01-03-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Salieri

A man is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. So why do you jduge a man when you can't prove he's guilty?

So we're in court now? OK, if that's the way you want to play it...

The recordations of the alleged words and actions that you present in the defense of your defendant, Jesus, are all hearsay. So the court will not allow them to be admitted as evidence, or at a minimum will instruct the jury that the defense is presenting hearsay evidence...

Seraph · 01-03-2005, 11:36 AM

Great. Now we are right back to her having to prove he even existed.

Wait....Did she even present anything outside of the alleged "sacred text" as evidence of him ever existing?

nihilist · 01-03-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Salieri

You guys still haven't provided one ounce of proof that Jesus isn't who he says he is yet you slander his name, call his words lies & fantasies, curse him, mock him, & his followers and declare that you know better whether he lived & died than the people who saw him do! A man is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. So why do you jduge a man when you can't prove he's guilty?You don't do this to Buddha or Rhama Krishna yet you do this to someone who gave his life so that you don't have to feel guilty any more! Why do you have such a desire to do these things to Jesus? What did he ever do to you to treat him this way, especially if you believe he's only a fairy tale!?Do you believe in Zeus? If not, do you mock the followers of Zeus?

Hello, Salieri, I hope you'll have a great new year...without so much fanaticism, of course.

Jesus' words are really fantasie, because he talked about impossible things like heaven and hell and such things do not exist. But this is true only if Jesus really existed. I am not sure of that. It is simply impossible to think of a man who could give his life to humankind. No man ever made that and you know that as well as I. If Jesus existed he was nothing but a fanatical. Don't dare to compare him with the great Buddha. And if we mock Jesus is because of what you ( his followers) talk about him.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Nihilist, a proud atheist

funinspace · 01-03-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Salieri

You don't do this to Buddha or Rhama Krishna yet you do this to someone who gave his life so that you don't have to feel guilty any more! Why do you have such a desire to do these things to Jesus? What did he ever do to you to treat him this way, especially if you believe he's only a fairy tale!?Do you believe in Zeus? If not, do you mock the followers of Zeus?

I'll assume that your intent was not malicious, and that you are just ignorant of the breadth and scope of this site. Here are a few very recent threads where non-theists/Xian's have butted heads with Muslims (there are many more as you look back into the months here):
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=110555
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=105984
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=109926
Just out of curiosity, have you ever admitted that a presumption/conclusion of yours, about non-theists, was wrong?

When the few Muslims come here preaching their views, they getting taken to task just like you are. Does that mean we (that includes you) all are also rebelling against Allah, since we are willing to engage in debate with Muslims? The same goes for the rare Scientologist, Jew, Mormon. et.al. come preaching their irrational, illogical views of faith. You are not special....in fact, the only thing unusual about you is the length you go to in avoiding any substantive debate.

Ebonmuse · 01-03-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by newtype_alpha

You're wrong. Yes he has! I've seen him do it. I can give you the entire story of how he did it too, and I can even give you a list of five hundred people who not only saw him walk on water, but put his hand on the hull of a submarine and turned it into a humpback whale which he used to feed sarving children in Sri Lanka. Furthermore, I know for a fact that atechnie is the son of God and has come from Asgard to save us from the microscopic Thetans who infest our bodies and cause delusions in our minds.

I agree! I saw all of this as well. You have no evidence that these things didn't happen, Salieri. Now repent and believe, sinner, or else!

Gawen · 01-03-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebonmuse

I agree! I saw all of this as well. You have no evidence that these things didn't happen, Salieri. Now repent and believe, sinner, or else!

Well, actually, I didn't see atechnie do ANY if it. But I have faith he did...he is now my God

:notworthy

eudaimonia · 01-03-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Salieri

So then why do you not take Jesus's words seriously even when you have no evidence that he's lying? And if you don't care enough about your own soul, then why do you tell your children that Jesus's words are fantasies & lies when you have no proof that he is lying? Are you that confident that you know better than Christ does about heaven & hell? if so, then by all means pass your wisdom along to your children. But you are also responsible for how you affect their lives in doing so. That arrogance will cost you & your children your lives. But who cares? All that matter is that they believe you know better than Christ. How is that not true? But I can assure you that; "He who exalts himself will be humbled." That is a fact, my friend. It's too bad you're children will also be affected.

i've said it before and i'll say it again: the concept you have of your religion is pyschologically diseased. i was once a devout christian and now i'm an atheist. i can see both sides. based on the way you talk about atheism, it seems to me that you are the one lost in subjectivity. fear of hellfire will do that to ya. i recognize the highly emotional "but-what-about-the-kids" arguments you're using, because i used to use them, once upon a time.
you have to understand that when you write posts like this,
you. sound. crazy.

eudaimonia · 01-03-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanHeretic

And when did you stop thinking?

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

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Seraph Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA Posts: 31	Great. Now we are right back to her having to prove he even existed. Wait....Did she even present anything outside of the alleged "sacred text" as evidence of him ever existing?

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