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Old 06-27-2011, 03:31 PM   #81
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Some more comments by Acharya S, trying to see how this all fits together. This time on the topic of David Icke. She doesn't say "yes or no" to the question of reptilean shape-shifters, but she does provide a stronger opinion on the question of whether the British Royal Family ate Princess Diana:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christ...y/message/1265
I don't really know what to say about David Icke. I had some communication with him and am appreciative of his efforts to expose the Christ myth. I find it puzzling that Rense [interviewer friendly to Icke] has put him on so many times but has been somewhat venomous toward me, even though Icke and I have very similar takes on two of the more controversial issues: Christianity and AIDS...

I believe that Rense's problem toward me is that I do not subscribe to the HIV=AIDS supposition...

Re Icke and the reptilians, I am sure that he believes his sources and conclusions to be true. One of the earlier proponents of the reptilian shape-shifter paradigm was Pamela Stonebrooke, whose been a friend of mine for years. Although I may not "believe" in such beings (I'm not saying yes or no), I don't get into it with her. She's an amazingly interesting and far-out person. I think the same way about Icke, so I just don't get into it with him. I will say, however, that I find it pretty much impossible to believe that the English royal family are shape-shifting reptilians who ate Diana and babies, etc., ad nausea.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christ...y/message/1260
The Annunak are NOT aliens, but I'm keeping that out of Suns of God out of respect for David Icke, who has been insightful enough to plug my work.
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Another piece of the puzzle: "Christianity is a deliberately contrived ideology" made "in order to ensnare the ignorant Goyim into accepting the megalomaniacal claims of the Israelitish peoples":
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christ...y/message/3116
I've said this before, but it bears repeating, I think. I like to describe Christianity as a Trojan Horse: Park Christianity at the gate of the nations, and out pop a bunch of "Chosen People." As far as I'm concerned, and as I think I make clear in my books, Christianity is a deliberately contrived ideology (not that religions in general aren't), designed to perpetuate the established domination (not hegemony, since "the nations" are not allies) of the Old Testament supremacists. (I hope you get my drift. I need no smearing with fallacious terms such as "anti-Semitic.")

"Jesus Christ" is a fictional character based on the numerous gods, goddesses and assorted heroes of the "known world" at the time of his creation. He is essentially the sun god turned into a "Jewish" man, "messiah," "christ," God on Earth, etc., in order to ensnare the ignorant Goyim into accepting the megalomaniacal claims of the Israelitish peoples.
Ignoring the bizarre ranting: wasn't the Old Testament already influenced by sun god myths, according to her theories? So why suppose that the Hebrews created a "deliberately contrived ideology" based on pagan sun god myths? Why not assume that the Hebrews created it from the Old Testament? Even within her own paradigm, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
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Just thinking of Acharya S's "Christianity as Trojan Horse" comment above reminded me of something that I came across when writing my review of her Advanced Ancient Global Pygmy Civilization theory. It fits in with a statement in her "UFO" article reproduced below, and curiously her quote from Keith below on a group espousing a "one world government" and getting rid of money is consistent with the other parts of the horrible Zeitgeist movie (my bolding):

http://www.truthbeknown.com/aliens.htm
Vallee's book also asks, "Is there an international UFO conspiracy? Are human programmers manipulating the UFO phenomenon?" To these questions, the late, great Jim Keith answers "yes," in his book Saucers of the Illuminati, which reveals that, indeed, human puppetmasters are behind much of the phenomenon. Keith recounts Vallee's work:
"A remarkable UFO group was contacted by Jacques Vallee in Paris, France. The group is called the Order of Melchizedek, and it uses the Star of David for its emblem, and for its program espouses a one world government and the doing away with money and religion - except for the UFO-oriented sort of religion, I would imagine. The Order is cabalistic in its mystical practices, the Qabalah being an ancient form of Jewish mystical cosmology, a philosophy also employed by other occult groups such as the OTO and the Freemasons. Vallee notes the curious number of organizations that the head of the French Order of Melchizedek fronts, including the Front for Christian Liberation, Jesus People Europe, Jesus Revolution, the Charismatic Christian, the Christian Socialist Party, and Jew and Arab movements. Here revelant cross-currents include cabalism, the Order of Melchizedek, and the Star of David."
In this case, it is obvious that the same old terrestrial powerbrokers are up to their old tricks. The Order of Melchizedek, in fact, is named in the Bible as the highest priesthood, of which Abraham and Jesus are made priests under Melchizedek. Therefore, "Melchizedek" or "Righteous Molech" is the highest figure in the universe under God. Melchizedek is in reality a mythical character, being the Molech or Moloch of the Old Testament, the god to whom children were sacrificed in burnt offering or holocaust by Phoenicians, Canaanites and Israelites. The Order of Melchizedek, then, represents a very ancient esoteric cult that has as its central practice, one that disguises it in fact as the Order of Melchizedek, the sacrifice by fire, whether human or animal.
This is getting sad, and is no longer fun, so I will stop here.
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Acharya denying that she's an anti-semite reminds me of this link I posted before. Here, she promotes a video of "a speech by British politician Nick Griffin"...Griffin being the notorious BNP hate-monger.
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GDon apparently glossed over this post on page 3 due to the fact that it debunks his entire premise. He knows all this full well which means that he is purposely tossing malicious smears at Acharya S. It tells us more about GDon than it does Acharya. GDon, have you corrected the errors and falsehoods in your article yet? I won't hold my breathe.

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I thought you could use it with the rest of your looney arguments on Pygmies and figure out a way to blame it all on Acharya like you did in your totally intellectually dishonest article
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GakuseiDon ""Blame it all on Acharya"? Blame WHAT on her? Your comments make no sense."
It makes perfect sense when people realize just how utterly dishonest you are in your pseudo-skeptical tirades against Acharya and her work.

I can't help but notice that you don't go after Dr. Hallet, John Jackson (who cited Hallet) or anyone else who writes about Pygmies You only go after Acharya for mentioning Pygmies and from there you turn it into a UFO convention complete with an image of an alien at the bottom of your article due to your own utter lack of (selective) comprehension.

Dr. Jean Pierre Hallet has received over 100 awards and honors including being nominated for the Nobel Peace prize in the 70's for his work with the Pygmies. Hallet is discussed in at least 20 books published by university presses. Why aren't you going after them, GDon?

GDon is simply tossing spaghetti on the wall hoping something will stick. Epic fail.

GakuseiDon begins his article with a falsehood:

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"A little while ago I was being castigated by Dave "Don't question her, just read her books!"
I've never, not one time, made that comment. So that's a completely false claim. GDon's entire article is a straw man with an endless stream of quote-mining out of context to prop up his 8 year long smear campaign against Acharya S.

Here's another example of intellectual dishonesty by GDon where he quotes Acharya's article titled, Mysteries of the World. GDon says "Acharya makes a strange connection between "little people" and "aliens":

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Mummified remains of little people or "aliens" are reported to be found in caves or in Tibetan monasteries...
GDon conveniently skips the fact that Acharya was quoting or citing someone else, who was properly cited and he also skips this quote from the top of that list:

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"(The following list represents reportage of apparent and alleged phenomena from folklore, stories and reports around the world, not an opinion or endorsement as to whether or not they have actually happened or are "real.")"
Acharya herself doesn't even use the word "alien" anywhere in that article. She is quoting or citing others, which GDon completely failed to note.

Here's another example where GDon says:

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GDon cites a "Jan 2011 blog entry." Even though, in bold Acharya says: "In posting this video, I am only interested in what the highly connected Dr. Wernher von Braun allegedly told Carol, as I think it's important."

GDon skips the comments by Acharya that destroys his entire selective premise. GakuseiDon's smear campaign against Acharya on this Pygmy issue is based entirely on false premises. GDon's comprehension of what Acharya was actually saying is a complete divorce from reality. Everybody here knows better than to expect accuracy or intellectual honesty from GakuseiDon (or AAbe) whenever discussing Acharya's work.

Out of 5 or 6 books by Acharya only Christ Conspiracy mentions Pygmies across a mere few pages but, leave it to GDon to use it to bludgeon her entire body of work with over 2,100 pages of text, 5,700 footnotes/citations and 300+ images.

This whole Pygmy issue is nothing more than another one of GakuseiDon's distraction fallacies to avoid discussion of his own belief in Jesus.

Pygmies in 'The Christ Conspiracy'

Here's 30 year archaeologist and professor of archaeology, Dr. Ken Feder, citing Acharya (calling her a "scholar") for debunking Zecharia Sitchin's work on the topic of the Annunaki in his book, Encyclopedia of Dubious Archaeology

Who are the Anunnaki?

How come he gets it but for GDon and AAbe it's over their heads?

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Thanks for the link. To Acharya S's credit, she does state to you near the end: "In any case, thanks for taking the time to make your comments. Debate concerning such important issues is always healthy." So kudos to her there.
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Dave31 has kindly informed me that Acharya S has done some more research into the Pygmies as the originator of many of the myths in ancient Europe, including the Garden of Eden.

Enjoy her latest article:

Garden of Eden originally a Pygmy myth?

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In one of the most fascinating books I've ever read, Pygmy Kitabu, Belgian anthropologist Dr. Jean-Pierre Hallet relates numerous detailed legends of the Pygmy people of the Ituri Forest in the Congo, including their origin and savior myths. Hallet, who spent some 30 years living off and on with the Pygmies, including one 18-month stint completely immersed with the Efé people, relies not only on his own copious firsthand experiences but also the works of other scientists...

Hallet first shows that the Pygmies are certainly one of the oldest races on Earth. He then demonstrates that their legends and myths are likely the basis of much Egyptian myth, which in turn influenced biblical stories. Hence, there is no need to suppose that the Pygmies were influenced by Bible stories. In reality, there is absolutely no evidence of any such influence, including and especially in the Pygmy language, which would have reflected biblical intrusions such as the names of "Jesus" and "Moses," etc. In this regard, Hallet with his colleague Alex Pelle also created an 8,000-word Efé lexicon that reveals some stunning comparisons to various Indo-European languages, including and especially Germanic ones such as Old Norse/Norwegian. Again, it appears that this old and isolated people may be the originators of much language as well...

... in Pygmy Kitabu, Hallet spends considerable time essentially proving that the Pygmy legends are their own homegrown stories, possibly representing the earliest such traditions still extant anywhere in the world.
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In the Pygmy religion and mythology, we discover an apparently very ancient account of the "Garden of Eden," as well as a Father God and a mortal savior who overcomes evil. Moreover, in the Pygmy traditions we also find equivalents to the biblical Exodus story, as well as much Egyptian, Semitic, Indian and Scandinavia mythology. The Pygmy account of the first man and the "garden" is detailed and reflects Pygmy culture and surroundings, without a hint of any external influence...

There is no reason to suspect that the Pygmy "Garden of Eden" story is anything but original, and there is much reason to suggest it may well be the oldest account we possess--and the first. What this development suggests, of course, is that the biblical account did not originate in the Middle East and was not originally handed down to Semitic "chosen people." The same can be said for other biblical myths, such as the Exodus and Christ stories, both of which appear to have emanated from the same Pygmy source as well.
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There is no new information there. Acharya S plays the sympathy for poor pygmies card and does not deal with the criticisms of Hallet by the professional anthropologist.

It's unfortunate. Acharya S could be ahead of the game if she were just a little more critical of her sources.
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There is no new information there. Acharya S plays the sympathy for poor pygmies card and does not deal with the criticisms of Hallet by the professional anthropologist.

It's unfortunate. Acharya S could be ahead of the game if she were just a little more critical of her sources.
She is uncritical of her sources, and she doesn't play any other game.
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She is uncritical of her sources, and she doesn't play any other game.
Actually, she has debunked Sitchen for her new age readers, and she has rejected Christianity. She can treat some sources critically. She seems to want academic credibility.
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