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Old 06-11-2004, 08:19 PM   #31
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I'd would personally like to here COAS's POV on what missionaries do and don't do when in contact with prmitive cultures.. (or at least cultures more primitive than Western Society..)

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Prove abiogenesis as a fact.
You have told innumerable times on this site that science makes no definitive claims about abiogenesis and that it has nothing to do with evolution, ignoring this simple fact and keep asking the same ridiculous question over and over again thinking it proves anything is not conductive to your position.


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Thats cause there aren't enough, and its a losing battle.
There are more atheists in this world than any single religious group. A losing battle? i should think not, most of the world is losing it's faith. People like you have a large part to play in that. so by all means, continue what you're doing.
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this pisses me off.
What these assholes did is despicable. If it were up to me, I would have never let those disgusting pieces of worthless motherfucking shit into the country.
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:54 AM   #34
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does anybody here actually know anything about this tribe's culture prior to the missionaries' visit? they may have been violent, sacrifices may have been involved. perhaps christianity was a calming influence?

it pays to check facts before making suggestions of crimes against humanity, or spewing hateful vitriol.

ps - i don't know the facts myself, but it doesn't seem like anybody else does either.
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If that were the case, it would have been disclosed in the article.
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Prove abiogenesis as a fact.
Prove creationism as a fact. Heck, you don't even need to go that far; prove the existence of your deity-of-choice as a fact. Then, if you can't do so, ponder the wisdom of not having a double standard.

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Atheists try to show others that God isn't needed
Not just try, they often succeed. That must be galling.

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I don't remember seeing a quote in the article where missionaries put a gun to the tribal members heads and said believe or die.
Did they tell the tribes about the eternal torture that supposedly awaited them if they didn't repent? If so, they said, in effect, "believe or burn".

I'll bookmark the site, Mageth, but I find the few snippets posted are so self-righteous and despicable that I don't want to read it just yet. My day's been good so far.
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Old 06-12-2004, 08:46 AM   #37
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You have told innumerable times on this site that science makes no definitive claims about abiogenesis and that it has nothing to do with evolution, ignoring this simple fact and keep asking the same ridiculous question over and over again thinking it proves anything is not conductive to your position.
Perhaps you should read the statement that this was in reference to. You are the one who brought up evolution, not me. If you failed to see it, here you go:


Urm, scientists can prove their theories, Magus.

Abiogenesis is a scientific theory. Prove it for a fact. I never said anything about evolution, and I know very well they are not the same thing.




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There are more atheists in this world than any single religious group. A losing battle? i should think not, most of the world is losing it's faith. People like you have a large part to play in that. so by all means, continue what you're doing.
Erm, more atheists than any single religious group? Define religious group. Do you mean Christianity, Islam, Buddhism? If so, you would be wrong. Do you mean a denomination like Protestant or Catholic? Again you'd be wrong.

And most of the world losing its faith? Hardly, and while yes more people are rejecting religion, we expect it to happen. Its just another sign of the end times, so by all means, keep giving up religion. You're only proving God right.
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Prove creationism as a fact. Heck, you don't even need to go that far; prove the existence of your deity-of-choice as a fact. Then, if you can't do so, ponder the wisdom of not having a double standard.
I never claimed Creationism was a scientific fact that could be proven. Whats this, a non sequitor or strawman?



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Not just try, they often succeed. That must be galling.
Nah, only ones they convince that God isn't needed are atheists, and thats pretty much preaching to the choir.



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Did they tell the tribes about the eternal torture that supposedly awaited them if they didn't repent? If so, they said, in effect, "believe or burn".
The article didn't say so its speculation.
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Christian missionaries have never really bothered me.

These tribes choose to allow these missionaries into their village, they choose to hear their sermons, and they choose to adopt Christianity. No one forces them to do any of this.

As for the destruction of their culture; I don’t care. They’re just exchanging one stupid ass-backward set of superstitious beliefs, for another set of stupid ass-backward set superstitious beliefs.
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Abiogenesis is a scientific theory. Prove it for a fact. I never said anything about evolution, and I know very well they are not the same thing.
actually, it's a scientific hypothesis. not the same thing.




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Erm, more atheists than any single religious group? Define religious group. Do you mean Christianity, Islam, Buddhism? If so, you would be wrong. Do you mean a denomination like Protestant or Catholic? Again you'd be wrong.
bull, atheists (which also includes some versions of buddhism and similar philosophies) make up somewhere around a quarter of the world's population, considerably larger than christianity's 20%. back up your ridiculous "you're wrong" or shut up.


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And most of the world losing its faith? Hardly, and while yes more people are rejecting religion, we expect it to happen.
in one sentence you say one thing, in the next you prove your previous statement false. have you ever been outside of your own personal social circle? asked people their views on religion? the world at large, (which grows beyond the borders of your own community, nationstate, continent). Religions are a minority in many parts of western europe now, and where they're not, they hold zero sway in the ways of the world. This is the reality we find ourselves in magus, deal with it.



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Its just another sign of the end times, so by all means, keep giving up religion. You're only proving God right.

ah yes, circular logic at it's finest.

in any case, it doesn't matter wether your god is real or not, the singularity will be the beginning of the end for all that which is not a part of it. but i don't suspect someone as antiquated as yourself to understand the true nature of divinity as only technology can bring.

go ahead magus, rebuttle with your tiresome christian message.
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