No Robots

Do whatcha gotta do, bro. Just don't say nobody ever warned ya.

EarlDoherty

This is possibly the most inflammatory statement ever made on this forum, and you ought to be officially chastised for it. What it amounts to is fomenting hatred of mythicists.

No mythicist I know of, and certainly not myself, denies an "essential Jewish nature" of Christ. But such a figure (the mythical one as believed in by Paul) did not come out of any normative mainstream Judaism (if there was such a thing), but rather out of a Jewish milieu which incorporated pagan motifs and influences, and comprised both Jews and gentiles. At the turn of the era, Diaspora Judaism was as important and influential an expression of Jewish culture as anything centralized in Jerusalem and the Temple cult. If anything, it was more important, since the latter was insulated and inward-looking. The constant mantra among many mainstream scholars today that Christianity needs to be seen as an outgrowth of, or understood in terms of, Second Temple Judaism is nonsense, a brand of modern apologetics (and an imagined asset to retaining an historical Jesus, at least when the movement and its invented founder gets recast in that light; nice circularity there).

But that is not where it came from and not where it initially thrived. Even the Galilean teaching tradition (as in Q) which became wedded to the Pauline Christ cult shows anything but a strong Jewish heritage, let alone a pure one. (Its apocalypticism may be one exception.) The very fact that 2nd century Christianity was able to turn against mainstream Jews with such vitriol and rejection shows that it was anything but anchored in mainstream Jewish tradition or had empathy for it. That vitriol and rejection was maintained through two millennia, and we won't whitewash or compensate for Christianity's guilt by distorting its origins. Or by demonizing those who want to bring the genuine origins to light for the sake of historical accuracy.

Earl Doherty

aa5874

How could that be when in the very myth fable the Jews got the MYTH CRUCIFIED?

Jesus was NOT a Jewish Myth.

Even in the NT, Jesus did NOT want the Jews to know who he was.

Jesus Christ was a NON-JEWISH Myth fable that NON-JEWS believed originated with the Jews.

The JEWS do not worship men as Gods and far worse a BLASPHEMER.

Jesus of the NT was indeed the ANTI-CHRIST.

Kapyong

Gday,

Wow.
JMers = anti-semites !


K.

No Robots

Certainly true of Bruno Bauer and Arthur Drews, two of the founders of modern "scientific" mythicism.

aa5874

But, Jesus may not have been a Jew if he really did live. It is rumored his father was called Panthera.

Do you know the true nationality of Pathera?

You must know that the story about the Virgin birth with the Holy Ghost MUST be a LIE so don't blame MJers. Even HJers REJECT the Ghost stories of Jesus.

"Against Celsus"1 Please, please, please. How did you manage to find out that Jesus was a Jew?

You know Jesus father?

You know a lot.

Toto

I haven't checked Bauer, but Drews was not an anti-Semite. We've been through that issue before.

Many of the historicist German theologians of the time, however, were anti-Semitic. They constructed an Aryan Jesus as their historical Jesus, and this Jesus was admired by Hitler. The current emphasis on the Jewish nature of Jesus seems to be at least in part a reaction against this.

Horatio Parker

Couldn't it also be a reaction against any emphasis on Hellenic influences?

If Xtianity is seen as arising more out of Hellenism and the Mystery cults rather than Judaism, Judaism stops being the intellectual big brother to Xtianity.

There's nothing intrinsically antisemitic about that, but it could be exploited that way.

aa5874

No Robots are accusing people of being anti-Semite but have NOT verified that Jesus did live and was a Jew.

What BLATANTLY ridiculous accusation!!!!!

It is rumored that Jesus may have been the son of perhaps a Roman soldier named Panthera if Jesus did live at all.

No Robots MUST apologize for his indiscretions.

Atheos

Makes about as much sense as assuming a person is a homosexual if they agree with Elton John's interpretation of "Candle In The Wind."