mountainman

The centralised monotheistic state Jesus Church preserved the canonical Jesus Books by order and at the direction of Christian Roman Emperors starting from Constantine.

OTOH the books of Apollonius were being preserved in the 4th century at the major temples of Asclepius. Constantine destroyed some of these, along with their libraries and the books of Apollonius. Eusebius was deployed to write a polemical work against Apollonius because many people considered him to be like a god, or at least god like. Eusebius slanders Apollonius and suggests he is a magician or worse. We can see the open politics at work.

The history of the intermittent reappearance of Philostratus' biography in Apollonius, and its suppression by the church of later and recent centuries makes an interesting research project in itself. Until recently, all publications of the biography of Apollonius had to also have, as a first part, the treatise of Eusebius against Apollonius (via Hierocles).

Blatant propaganda.

I think someone said they had to supply Eusebius first as an antidote to the poison of Philostratus's "Life of Apollonius".




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mountainman

Which of course was just what the earliest Christians (of the 4th century according to the book in the OP) did when they were moved by the Holy Spirit to write down forge the accounts of Jesus.

The problem now is trying to find historical support for the accounts of these earliest Christians. We don't have the same problem with the figure of Apollonius in the 1st century. In earlier threads we have examined the comparative historicity of Jesus and Apollonius and Apollonius wins hands down. It's no contest.

On the surface of things Jesus looks to be a late forgery.



Why shouldn't they? Many have been the comparisons between Jesus and Apollonius and Paul and Apollonius. The scholarship goes back to the 4th century and no earlier. I see this as a real problem for the HJ brigade.




If Jesus was forged in the 4th century then we are looking at an imperially commissioned forgery, for the Good of the Centralised Monotheistic State Empire. As such we may expect that the forgery was concealed by the organisation which inherited the management and running of the tax-exempt Christian Monotheistic state church from Constantine and his sons and the Three Hundred and Eighteen Nicaean Fathers.

Therefore if we are objectively investigating the possibility that Jesus was a 4th century fiction founded on the life of Apollonius, we would have to use common sense. Common sense tells us that people cover over crimes.

And if there was one word to characterise the entire Christian movement of the 4th and 5th centuries this word is heresiological.

That evidence has been concealed or censored or just "sorry we lost that book" is plain to see. Many histories of Nicaea were written in the 4th century but for some reason the 5th century Christian histiorians did not want to preserve them. In other posts it has been mentioned that the years
between 325 and 352 CE represent a "black hole" of primary [literary] evidence. Such a massively important and wonderful event that the Christians rise from obscurity to supremacy. You'd expect them to have kept a good primary account outside of Eusebius. They "lost" the earlier books of Ammianus that could have helped the investigation.


The pattern here is that evidence has been concealed.








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mountainman

In the 1st century, there were people who listened to the Holy Spirit as a source of truth. Christianity was built around what the Holy Spirit allegedly told the earliest Christians. These writers thought they were channeling ancient knowledge (from the Greek LXX). We now think that they were reporting their unfiltered subconscious thoughts. And that they may have been commissioned in this reporting by the Lord God Caesar himself, who was seeking a means by which his large empire could be unified under a centralised monotheistic state religious cult, and fuck the pagans and Jews.




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mountainman

There is a question whether Michael Faraday the physicist is the same Michael Faraday who authored c.1888 the book in the title of the OP. If it was, it must have been a posthumus publication.



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mountainman

Unlike Jesus and his forgery mill.









Didn't other people, such as Napoleon, also read Apollonius?



Jesus could have disappeared from the cross if he had really wanted to.

The point here too, being how earlier "miracle tales" can be copied by later authors.




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mountainman

It is clear that Apollonius may not have been offering a religion as such, which brings us to the observation that, for an example, Buddhism is also seen not necessarily as a religion but can be seen as a philosophy or a metaphysics. Likewise Apollonius may have been offering a philosophy or a metaphysics. He is related to the Hermes literature (see for example "The Emerald Tablet") and is prominent in the Arabic sources as "Balinus".

However this does not prevent people from worshiping such people. In the case of Apollonius a recent inscription, perhaps as late as the rule of Diocletian, has been found with the following translation




Did Jesus or Apollonius extinguish the sins of men?


Centuries after his death, cities deployed the talisman's of Apollonius to ward off plague and other epidemics.

The church writers tell us this.




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wordy

Such is interesting. Catholicism has had a cult of Mary the Mother of God
and also of particular Saints. Some believers find it easier to relate to
earthly persons of history than to "spiritual" entities like God Christ Holy ghost and Angels.

so they turn to Jesus or his mother or to the known Saints.

So in that way faith in Apollonius maybe have worked as a placbo
and the talismans show that clearly to be posible. Cool that he really
has existed and not is just a myth

Toto

Chili posts split here

Chili

Placebo is a synonym for look-alike and therefore the faults of men return and talisman's must to the trick for them. Is this a Voodoo look-alike?

mountainman

One of the reasons I posted the OP was to determine whether Michael Faraday the scientist was the author of the book published 1888 entitled Jesus Christ: A Fiction Founded Upon the Life of Apollonius of Tyana or whether someone else wrote the book and attached the name of this famous scientist.


Does anyone know?




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