winstonjen

Well, god's plan to get people to worship him only got 1/4 of the world following him, so Satan seems to be more popular.

atheist_in_foxhole

And of that 1/4, only a small fraction are True Christians like our friend Magus. It seems that God's plan has been a colossal failure. Unless, of course, God's plan was to send the vast majority of humanity to Hell.

seebs

Or, unless that interpretation of what happens is incorrect.

Cross Examiner

two interesting thoughts:
God's plan has indeed been a colossal failure ... if His goal was to attain a high percentage of the human population as His forever-family. Then again, it would seem that this is not God's plan:

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it" (Matthew 7:13,14).

Oil and water separate, naturally ... if you catch the inference.

Regards,
BGic

Singerian

Don't get me wrong, Satan's a great guy, but he was using the weapons of Antiquity. And I don't know how many angels 1/3 is, but I think even a modest-sized, organized group with AK-47's might have more luck against the old man. In fact, Satan's angel's probably took it to him Chuck Norris movie-style, all one at a time and shit. I'd be like "Yo, God, I got some fresh vegetables from my gard-..er.. shed blood of a... dairy cow... for you.. 'cause I thought you might be hungry" And he'd be like, "alright, Gabriel, send him up." And I'd be like "BAADDOWWWW!!!!." Angels would be diving behind the bar... Satan would be watchin it live on the tube(out of his seat at this point, with beer spilling onto his tee-shirt and boxers). God would be swimmin in bullets, all in slow motion, maybe even w/ shamelessly repeating footage.

BTW, why should Adam and Eve have been expected to trust God any more than Satan? It's my guess that Satan was the true creator, and God was just an opportunist. I guess it's true what they say: History is written by the victors.

seebs

On what would you base this guess? I'm curious.

winstonjen

So he's not all-loving, he's evil. Thanks for the honesty.

Singerian

There are just so many holes in God's story. I hate to be the voice of Columbo on this one, but c'mon, the Bibles a textbook coverup job.

Exhibit A: The creation story He gave when I interrogated(Genesis 1) is completely incompatible w/ the story He gave in his signed affidavit(Genesis 2). I've been in this business long enough to know a false aliby when I see one. My guess is the story goes something more along the lines of this:

God, just an angel at the time, was upon the climax of an average day in heaven, timed perfectly w/ the climax of one of his daily(at least) cosmic masturbatory sessions. Satan, angel and industrious fellow, was just finishing up his experiment: a world of perfect pleasure and happiness. God saw his chance, and he took it. "KAARRRAATTEYYAAH!" The Devil, having spent perhaps too much time studying physics and not enough time toughening his nuts enough to withstand a Godly blow, was down for the count. Unfortunately, in the process, a beaker fell over or some science shit, and it made the world shitty, killing nearly all humans, and making the surviving two a couple of dumb bitches. God banished Satan to suffer in it, and that night, as with most nights, God woke everyone. Except that night it was, far from the usual sounds of God talking admirably to an image of himself in the mirror, an announcement of Lordship.

Solanalos

[From a Christian perspective] Would it be correct to say,"We worship God by acting out our love for him, by making him the focus of our pious thoughts and positive emotions, by 'speaking' to him with our minds and relating that we know he is God."?

Also...

Does God demand that people worship him in order to enter heaven? Can a person go to heaven without worshipping God?

Solanalos

Does God demand acknowledgement in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven?