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GenesisNemesis · 04-07-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

I mean look how he attacks fictions in his "History" and accuses Christianity as being fiction as well.

Therefore, Christianity is true, and your faith is verified because of this.

sugarhitman · 04-07-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisengland

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Yeah wasnt it Roger Pearce who also said that there were to many Fraudulent theories on this site as well, theories, that deny these outside testimonies? I agree.

It seems that all outside references to Christ are forgeries by christians.

Pliny also testify to tortuing christians on behalf of the Roman government. Tacitus also hints at this persecution.....and yet critics believes all these things did not take place......which is remarkable.

Go careful Sugarhitman sometimes they think the documents may be forged because they have evidence that it may be. It's not always a conspiricy theory.
I suggest you look up these topics first for abit longer.
Chris

Agreed.

Sheshonq · 04-07-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisengland

Go careful Sugarhitman sometimes they think the documents may be forged because they have evidence that it may be. It's not always a conspiricy theory.
I suggest you look up these topics first for abit longer.
Chris

What? You mean that sugarhitman's 15 minutes of Googling might not be sufficient research? Are you suggesting that he actually read something scholarly on the topic?

Now that's just crazy talk.

sugarhitman · 04-07-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GenesisNemesis

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

I mean look how he attacks fictions in his "History" and accuses Christianity as being fiction as well.

Therefore, Christianity is true, and your faith is verified because of this.

No. But it does show exactly that told in the Acts, and the Gospels.

GenesisNemesis · 04-07-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

No. But it does show exactly that told in the Acts, and the Gospels.

Odd. I thought you were a fan of that argument.

sugarhitman · 04-07-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GenesisNemesis

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No. But it does show exactly that told in the Acts, and the Gospels.

Odd. I thought you were a fan of that argument.

This thread is about the historical accuracy of the Gospels. And the existence of Christ.

Cesc · 04-07-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

I mean look how he attacks fictions in his "History" and accuses Christianity as being fiction as well. If the history itself is fiction (that Jesus's death was fiction as well as His existence) he would have said so. It is very obvious that he is a shrewd historian not given to fictions.

I havent read History, but he accuses Christianity of being fiction? How?

04-07-2008, 04:16 PM

Greetings,

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

Also there are other sources who testify to this same thing like Josephus, and the Jewish Talmud....surely these testimonies are not fiction.

The Jewish Talmud ?

The Jewish stories about Jesus include :

* Jesus was the bastard son of a Roman soldier
* Jesus was conceived during menstruation
* Jesus learned magic in Egypt
* Jesus was stoned to death in Lydda
* Jesus worshipped a brick-bat
* Jesus burned his food
* Jesus had 5 disciples

Is that what you mean by the "same thing" ?

Do you think those stories are true ?

Iasion

Keith&Co. · 04-07-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ksen

I tried it and the first page comes back as supporting the Tacitus passage as being pretty strong second-hand knowledge of Jesus and what his followers were saying at the time of Tacitus.

Were you expecting something different?

The order things show up on Google is based on how many pages link to them. Meaning that the 'tacitus is accurate' page at the top can be judged as being popular. That doesn't mean it's correct.

My point, though, was that Sugar could have as easily googled that or a similar string. My string came up with, what, 27000 sites? If he was at ALL interested in the stance of critics, he could have searched through those for the criticism of scholars.

Instead he just taunts.

Toto · 04-07-2008, 04:30 PM

The top Google pages in this case do reflect the critic's version.

The apologists claim that Tacitus based his statements on research into the official records, so that his statement that Christ suffered the extreme penalty under Pontius Pilate is a first hand account of official records.

The critics claim that it is a report of second or third hand rumors from Christians; or that the entire passage was inserted later, and Tacitus never said anthing about Christians.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	The top Google pages in this case do reflect the critic's version. The apologists claim that Tacitus based his statements on research into the official records, so that his statement that Christ suffered the extreme penalty under Pontius Pilate is a first hand account of official records. The critics claim that it is a report of second or third hand rumors from Christians; or that the entire passage was inserted later, and Tacitus never said anthing about Christians.

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