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Annabel Lee · 11-16-2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TomJoe

If I recall correctly, someone also hacked into CF and provided information to a board she was staff on. That was likewise illegal too. So, now that both parties have had one eye poked out... what would you like to do?

And, I might add, someone from that other board used that information to publically post my private information (ie: my full name) on the internet. .

I've never heard about anyone hacking into a CF account. If so, they are no better than the mod who pulled that crap with BigToe.
Likewise, someone posting your real name on the internet.

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So, before we all start crying about how wrong we've been done, perhaps we should drop the myopic crap and realize that there is plenty of blame to go around

AND, I am not crying about "how wrong I've been done". NOTHING has been done to me, I am simply trying to explain why Bigtoe may be upset about this guy being made a moderator again.
This conversation ends here until you post your CF name. I don't argue with ghosts.

BigToe · 11-16-2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TomJoe

And, I might add, someone from that other board used that information to publically post my private information (ie: my full name) on the internet. So, before we all start crying about how wrong we've been done, perhaps we should drop the myopic crap and realize that there is plenty of blame to go around.

Hey- no one is saying that those people on STS's site didn't do anything wrong. I am guilty of saying some mean things, but thats as far as I went. As far as your private information being published on the internet- you are right, that is wrong, but you cannot have a problem with the whole of those involved for what one person did to you. I didn't do it. The only information I ever asked for from anyone on that site was contact information for people's ISPs should I opt to report it.

People said some vile things on that site that made me sick, and for a long time I got caught up in it as well.

The main difference is how people got their information. People lied to us to get info from us. We lied to no one.

11-16-2004, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Annabel Lee

I've never heard about anyone hacking into a CF account. If so, they are no better than the mod who pulled that crap with BigToe. Likewise, someone posting your real name on the internet.

Yep. Someone hacked into CF and provided that information STS's site. Someone at STS's site then used that information to post my real name on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Annabel Lee

I am simply trying to explain why Bigtoe may be upset about this guy being made a moderator again.

From what I've read, she forgave the guy. The guy was truly sorry for what he did. It's the freakin internet for crying out loud! He spent a good deal of time stewing for his actions and would like to go back on staff now. The staff hope that he learned from his mistakes and there will not be a "repeat performance"... is that wrong?

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Originally Posted by Annabel Lee

This conversation ends here until you post your CF name. I don't argue with ghosts.

As I tell my fiance's daughter, there is no such thing as ghosts.

NYJ.

Annabel Lee · 11-16-2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TomJoe

As I tell my fiance's daughter, there is no such thing as ghosts.

NYJ.

Dammit! I was hoping it was someone I didn't like.

So....How was the movie "13 Going on 30"?

11-16-2004, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Annabel Lee

Dammit! I was hoping it was someone I didn't like.

Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Annabel Lee

So....How was the movie "13 Going on 30"?

I refuse to watch it.

BigToe · 11-16-2004, 11:20 AM

Listen TomJoe, I don't honestly remember someone posting your full name on there. And if that happened, I will appologize for them.

But you are failing to grasp why I am concerned. I know you don't like me, and that is fine. You don't have to. I also know that a lot of people said mean things to and about you on that other site- so you certainly have no reason to like me for being friends with those people.

Like I have said- my concern isn't specific to Justin as it is to other things. And with not being involved the way I was, it is something you cannot understand.

11-16-2004, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BigToe

Listen TomJoe, I don't honestly remember someone posting your full name on there. And if that happened, I will appologize for them.

But you are failing to grasp why I am concerned. I know you don't like me, and that is fine. You don't have to. I also know that a lot of people said mean things to and about you on that other site- so you certainly have no reason to like me for being friends with those people.

Like I have said- my concern isn't specific to Justin as it is to other things. And with not being involved the way I was, it is something you cannot understand.

BigToe, why do you get the impression that I don't like you? I don't know you from Adam (or Eve) so I have no reason to dislike you. I guess apathetic would sum up my feelings for you and just about every other person I interact with on the internet. I don't get enraged when I read your posts, I also don't burst with joy when I read them. I just read them. There are a few people I "have feelings" for on the internet (if that's how you want to put it) but that's a natural result of years of contact with them over several MBs. You and I don't have that kind of history. That may have come across a bit harshly ( or a bit strange even

)... I guess I just mean to say... I don't hate you. I have no reason to hate you.

As for people saying mean things about me... I was banned quite quickly from that site ( ironic, eh?

) so I don't know what people said about me.

BigToe · 11-16-2004, 11:40 AM

To be honest, the reason we banned you is the same reason we banned Iddie, E-beth and other people we found out were mods at CF. We realized it could be construed as a conflict of interest and we didn't want to feed any fires. We caught onto some people sooner than others. We also thought it wouldn't be an issue at first, which is why you were able to be a member at all. You're a well liked guy and we thought it would be enjoyable to chat with you. However, other things happened and it ended up not being as intended and so we decided to prevent as much as we could.

And for the most part, you are right, its a font on the internet- nothing to get up in arms about. And that is easy to say until some of those fonts violate you. And I am going to sum it up for you as to why it is a big deal to me. And while it is no where near being on the same scale, it is similar. Rape is violating someone's trust and personal space. Hacking into someone's account is doing the same. I was hurt that Justin hacked me because I had honestly never even read a post he had written before. There was no connection, nothing to justify him doing it to me. to this day I haven't read a post of his. I've read 3 or 4 pms from him, but that is it. Had it been a mod that I've had problems with I could have understood it. But it was so far out of left field that I couldn't. All I knew is that it was someone who was supposed to be a minister, an example, and uphold Christian morals and they were not.

And I am not saying some good hasn't come out of this. I've reflected on myself after this, and 5 months of reflection can show you a lot about yourself. So if nothing else I have changed to be more of who it is I want to be. But that doesn't mean that something was going on to the point that it caused Justin to consider doing what he did. And if Erin or anyone else knew how he was getting the info he was getting- I don't know. But the fact that they knew he was getting information about us "declaring war" (which we most certainly did not) shows that those on STS's site were not the only ones being too dramatic about it all.

I guess its all an example of how you can be caught at the wrong place at the wrong time. I know I did. And I know Justin did. And thing is, while our intentions were never to hurt anyone, I think we probably ended up being hurt the most but also learning the most. And I also think that telling someone to let it go or get over it is the least helpful thing someone can say.

Miss Shelby · 11-17-2004, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TomJoe

As I tell my fiance's daughter, there is no such thing as ghosts.

Fiance? Congratulations.

Michelle

11-17-2004, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Shelby

Fiance? Congratulations.

Thanks.

It's technically not official yet. She knows I have the ring (she was there when I bought it... was spur of the moment... we were just looking at rings and they sprung a really good offer on me and I didn't want to pass it up, only to return later and not be extended the same offer)... well technically it's being refitted (she prefers white gold) and she knows I'll have it soon... but I'm waiting for the right time to give it to her. She'd like it on her birthday (in a week) but I'm going to wait a bit longer... and I'm not entirely sure where I'll pop the question either.

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11-16-2004, 11:20 AM	#46
BigToe Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,920	Listen TomJoe, I don't honestly remember someone posting your full name on there. And if that happened, I will appologize for them. But you are failing to grasp why I am concerned. I know you don't like me, and that is fine. You don't have to. I also know that a lot of people said mean things to and about you on that other site- so you certainly have no reason to like me for being friends with those people. Like I have said- my concern isn't specific to Justin as it is to other things. And with not being involved the way I was, it is something you cannot understand.

11-16-2004, 11:40 AM	#48
BigToe Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,920	To be honest, the reason we banned you is the same reason we banned Iddie, E-beth and other people we found out were mods at CF. We realized it could be construed as a conflict of interest and we didn't want to feed any fires. We caught onto some people sooner than others. We also thought it wouldn't be an issue at first, which is why you were able to be a member at all. You're a well liked guy and we thought it would be enjoyable to chat with you. However, other things happened and it ended up not being as intended and so we decided to prevent as much as we could. And for the most part, you are right, its a font on the internet- nothing to get up in arms about. And that is easy to say until some of those fonts violate you. And I am going to sum it up for you as to why it is a big deal to me. And while it is no where near being on the same scale, it is similar. Rape is violating someone's trust and personal space. Hacking into someone's account is doing the same. I was hurt that Justin hacked me because I had honestly never even read a post he had written before. There was no connection, nothing to justify him doing it to me. to this day I haven't read a post of his. I've read 3 or 4 pms from him, but that is it. Had it been a mod that I've had problems with I could have understood it. But it was so far out of left field that I couldn't. All I knew is that it was someone who was supposed to be a minister, an example, and uphold Christian morals and they were not. And I am not saying some good hasn't come out of this. I've reflected on myself after this, and 5 months of reflection can show you a lot about yourself. So if nothing else I have changed to be more of who it is I want to be. But that doesn't mean that something was going on to the point that it caused Justin to consider doing what he did. And if Erin or anyone else knew how he was getting the info he was getting- I don't know. But the fact that they knew he was getting information about us "declaring war" (which we most certainly did not) shows that those on STS's site were not the only ones being too dramatic about it all. I guess its all an example of how you can be caught at the wrong place at the wrong time. I know I did. And I know Justin did. And thing is, while our intentions were never to hurt anyone, I think we probably ended up being hurt the most but also learning the most. And I also think that telling someone to let it go or get over it is the least helpful thing someone can say.

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