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Old 01-15-2013, 09:28 AM   #31
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Sure just like trying to affair to make sure you really love your wife. Totally useless. Or trying some Singapore Fried Vermicelli to decide whether you really think Italian food is your favorite. Idiotic.

Nothing like that at all.

We are talking about Marcion who perverted a perverted view already.


All Marcion tells us is how wide and diverse the movement away from Judaism was. It also shows a point that many viewed his material off the wall so to speak.
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Totally useless for anything related to a historical Jesus.
What if they're both fictional?

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If Jesus Christ came back today and saw what was being
done in his name, he'd never stop throwing up.

Well the probability is that Paul and Marcion and a Yehoshua charactor all existed.



Is there anyone credible who doubts Paul and Marcion.?
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In which of his texts does Marcion say that?
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Some people are really good at reading statements from invisble books that have never been found.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:35 AM   #35
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Well the probability is that Paul and Marcion and a Yehoshua charactor all existed.

Is there anyone credible who doubts Paul and Marcion.?
That's an appeal to authority.

How about dealing with sound or cogent arguments about their existence?

Starting with looking at source material as evidence?

All we know about Paul is writings attributed to him and disputes about those attributions.
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The point is pin pointing what the original claim was, and I have done that here.
But not originally. This is precisely what Christians claim. For evidence may I recommend the Billy Graham Evangelical Association training I went on many moons ago?

The classic xian creeds are by definition mythical - Emmanuel - God with us.

Now an interesting question is are we looking at a Jewish Greek synthesis? The Greeks loved their statues of the gods, so making a god into a man is only like making a statue live.

Now are there statues of Jesus? Oh yes, they all look like Apollo as the good shepherd....
For what it is worth: To make a distinction here between 'a shepherd' and 'the good shepherd' you identify here, who, yes, can become alive in us from statues that so are iconic and can speak to us.

Opposite this are the imposters that Billy Graham was training many moons ago now that now already blurr his name in the same darkness that he tried to spread around.

Dispite all my sniping, I have a great respect for Jesus in that same way, but not as the person . . . who once was.
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Well the probability is that Paul and Marcion and a Yehoshua charactor all existed.

Is there anyone credible who doubts Paul and Marcion.?
That's an appeal to authority.

How about dealing with sound or cogent arguments about their existence?

Starting with looking at source material as evidence?

All we know about Paul is writings attributed to him and disputes about those attributions.

Is there anyone "at all" credible who discounts Paul and Marcion?
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Is there anyone "at all" credible who discounts Paul and Marcion?
Yes, in fact, there is.

But that is irrelevant. Please focus on the arguments and the evidence and stop asking about "credible" scholars.
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Totally useless for anything related to a historical Jesus.
What if they're both fictional?

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Well the probability is that Paul and Marcion and a Yehoshua charactor all existed.



Is there anyone credible who doubts Paul and Marcion.?
You present logical fallacies.

Jesus and Satan were on the Pinnacle of the Jewish Temple after it is claimed Jesus was baptized by John.

Is there anyone credible who doubts John the Baptist and Satan??


There is a city called Rome and it is claimed that it was founded by Romulus.

Is there anyone who doubts the City of Rome and Romulus??
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There might be some academics whose work forcuses on channeling Marcion or even Eusebius since it is only the Church who knows anything about the boogeyman.

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