Sheshbazzar

Speculation, in and of itself, is acceptable.
However, when what is simply speculation is presented as comprising THE solution to far too many unknowns, the very multiplicity of speculative 'could have beens' ultimately undermines the credibility of such elaborately constructed straw houses.
I do. Anyone desiring that these fantastic tales to be literally and historically true, is one who harbors a misanthropic hatred towards most of mankind and this world.
And is one desiring to see a fulfillment in unprecedented human (and non-human) suffering and ultimate worldwide destruction. sick sick sick.

Such an individual is to be held personally accountable for the accepting and the promotion of such a sick and evil theology and world view.
Ethically, I am at war with every person that embraces or attempts to support or further the propagation of this living dead Zombie mind-disease called christianity.

Adam

I won't stoop to replying to such personal vilification other than to refer everyone to my (incomplete) blog here that shows that none of this applies to me.
http://www.freeratio.org/member.php?u=47820
It's probably sufficient to read points (c) through (e) to get the gist.

Sheshbazzar

Yes....it does confirm my observation. Add more shit to that pile and you'll be buried even deeper in it.

Horatio Parker

I concur in your revulsion at the idea of pleasure in apocalypse. It is nothing less than an attempt to justify hostility and violence. The idea that these texts represent the ultimate in western spirituality is a depressing one.

I don't think this applies to all Xtians, however. Or even most of them. There are many sane compassionate Xtians who prefer analogy to literalism, even if they are still bound to HJ. My preference is to take the regressive superstition out of religion.

And other religions? Are they allowed in your ethical world view?

Sheshbazzar

Depends on what they teach, and with how their adherents conduct themselves.
Some undoubtedly, are positive thinking, and contribute to the peace and harmony of human existence, positively contributing to the welfare and advancement of all of humanity, while respecting the environment.
Of course ones personal ethics are of far more importance than any claimed religious affiliations.
One does not need any authoritarian religious institutions to dictate what constitutes good manners, good conduct, and good will towards ones fellow man.

Horatio Parker

Thanks for the clarification.

How can Xtianity be an indicator of inferior ethics if personal behavior is a better measure?

An ethical Xtian is an impossibility?

I suppose that's easier to believe in than the Resurrection...

Sheshbazzar

If one is truly honest and ethical, the faulty claims of christianity, coupled with its long history of inhumane and bloodthirsty acts, ought to be more than sufficient to cause one to firmly distance themselves from any such religious traditions and organizations.
No truly ethical person could ever remain a 'christian believer', or as a part of, or as a supporter of that organization or its basic fundamental teachings.

Horatio Parker

I think you're contradicting yourself.

Sheshbazzar

'the voice from heaven glorifying Jebus....' yeah, riiight.
Do you really and truely believe that line of horse-crap Adam?

Toto

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