Rational BAC

You mean that little babies will be in heaven? Oh heck it all to gosh.

Such messy little creatures they are too.

Mageth

That sounds possibly related to luvluv's assertion that there is a "one-to-one correspondence" to the number of days in an infinite amount of time and the number of tasks in an infinite amount of tasks.

I assert that one can't make such a one-to-one relationship between different infinities. For every task in the infinite list of tasks there is (essentially) an infinite, or perhaps simply "unbounded", amount of time to perform the task. However many tasks you perform, there is always an infinite amount of time "left over" to fill with more tasks.

Autonemesis

Do what? Pretend it's real temporarily, for my amusement? Sure! No problem, I have done that many times. Would you like me to give you a Tarot reading? I can channel spirits, too. Would you like to speak to my guardian angel? I can do that.

Barefoot Bree

Thank you, Mageth. I spluttered and spluttered trying to think how he could have gotten from my statement to his. I'm still bewildered. :huh:

luvluv

Autonemesis:

The point of making an argument is that you have to prove your own premises, they aren't true until and unless someone can disprove them. What logical reasons can you give us for believing that if we live forever, even with an infinity of entirely new and exciting things to do, we'll get bored?

Your first premise isn't true until proven false. It's dubious until given adequate support, of which you've offered none.

At any rate, I remember now why I don't come here anymore.

I leave you folks to it.

Family Man

If I ever reply to luvluv's pretentious inanity again, would someone please shoot me.

Autonemesis

I'm talking about my mental state, the only one I can vouch for. It seems obvious to me that you do not think you will be bored, since you look forward to going to Heaven. See how that works? I accept other people's appraisal of their own mental states. It seems completely reasonable to me to do so, unless the person is acting in some obviously contrary manner to his appraisal.

So you think you know my emotional makeup better than I do. You think I would not be bored, despite my own evaluation that says otherwise.

By not accepting my premise 1, you are claiming to be a mind reader. Not only that, you are claiming to read a future state of my mind.

luvluv, boredom is an emotion. There can only be emotional appeals to support Premise 1. I can only tell you that based on my own assessment of my mental states and experiences of same, I would be bored eventually. An infinity of make-work sounds dreadful to me. And so the concept of Heaven sounds dreadful to me. That is all emotion. There is nothing factual about any of it. There cannot possibly be. You either accept that I can appraise my own mental states and forecast how I would feel in future situations, or you think I don't know my own mind well enough to do that.

Because you can't hack critical analysis, unless it turns out to favor your ideas. Otherwise, you storm out of the room.

Such is our burden.

Mageth

Only if God gives it to me as a New and Novel Task to do.

Legend

Personally, I really think that luvluv has been defending her position quite well and does not deserve such remarks.

Actually, a part of me really feels that I would have been convinced by now about her position. In fact, I feel that I am the one trying to find ways to assault her position but as I think about it, given what God is, I maybe wrong and am just not willing to accept it.

But as I said before, I really don't think omnipotence is a possibility since it could contradict itself. A ver powerful being perhaps, but an omnipotent one?

All things considered, if God really is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being, then I concede to the probability that heaven would not be boring after all.


Yet given such a reality, I would probably still choose oblivion, since as long as I exist, then there is a possibility (no matter how small) that I would regret existence itself at some point in my eternal life.

To Mageth:
I think what luvluv is saying here is that we will not get bored since God can do anything and thus he can make it so that we will never get bored without tampering what we are. Anything encompasses not only thing we understand but also those that we cannot.

mirage

Luvluv is right.

The Heaven is boring argument is moronic.

It's ecstasy. It's good by definition. God can induce whatever great state he or you wants. If you are ecstatic, there is no need for intellectual stimulation in any case. You bypass all that, straight to the reward centrers! Hell, he could even wire up some whole new types of reward experience. And yes, you are still you. It sounds bloody great and you can sign me up first on the list.

(I don't think the infinite tasks idea makes a whole load of sense though. That's just a long winded way of stimulating those centers. The tasks presumably don't actually need doing. Harp polishing?)