Doctor X

The individual should look in a mirror more often.

--J.D.

Harry Bosch

Sorry, I did not mean offense. I made a clumsy attempt at irony. I don't know the exact quote, but it was Paul who warned Christians to be wary of "ancient jewish fables" or something to that effect. As a person with jewish family members, I often wonder why we attach such importance to Jewish fables. Why not Aztec, English or French fables. For examples, ancient Aztecs believed that the world was created by a giant turtle, and the world rests on its shell.

Ellis14

The Christian religion though in its biblical sense it obviously an offshoot of the Jewish system. If the Aztecs wrote the OT and when developed a new belief with ties to the former (NT) then we would attach important to them.

To take up your latter point; some cultures believe the earth was created from ant excrement. Surely such beliefs have just as much credibility as the Jewish/Christian Creation myth? Perhaps Creationists should be lobbying for the Ant-Crap Creation myth to be taught alongside their own, in the spirit of encouraging an open mind amongst student??

Harry Bosch

Well, again I am making fun of people who believe in ancient myths that have absolutely scientific fact behind them. There are so many holes in the flood myth, that its actually silly to even debate the issue. I challange the forum to come up with one single piece of evidence that would confirm the story to an unbiased audience.

Doctor X

Stinger:

Well clearly you are biased against the TRUTH [All Rights Reserved.--Ed.]. You have to have faith . . . if you need some, send me $49.95. . . .

Anyways, your post reminded me of The Simpsons where Lisa and Bart are studying a Native American mound. Lisa remarks that the people believed the world existed on the back of a turtle to which Bart responds, "yeah, thank goodness we worship a carpenter from two thousand years ago."

I have asked your question to fundamentalists--"why your myth and not their myths"--and it tends to be a variation of my [Not--Ed.] humorous reply above--"theirs is silly."

As for your question, you will receive claims without support--"they found evidence of the Ark"--and cherry picked facts--"there were floods once"

If confronted with the scientific evidence--impossibility of the global flood--they reply with some variation of "all things are possible."

--J.D.

--J.D.

Ellis14

An impossible task my friend. Whilst evidence could be found of a flood, an ark etc, the global flood itself as described in the bible is impossible. It simply couldn't have happened.

If evidence was found of a flood, the same flood that the bible refers to, all it would prove was that the flood story is a legend based on some real event, but which was completely exaggerated and mostly-contrived to make the Jews believe that they had a magnificent and special heritage given to them by God. Also, it would mean that all mankind on earth today, originated with Jewish ancestors. What could be more gratifying for a bunch of unenlightened Hebrew goat-herders?

Doctor X

Stories that they conquered everyone and defeated empires. . . .

And that is unenlightened Bronze Age Hebrew goat-herders to you!

--J.D.

Ellis14

I stand corrected! My only hope is that Yahweh does not smite me for my arrogance. If only I could sacrifice an animal to appease him................is that next door's cat I hear?? Be right back........

Harry Bosch

Dr. X, your wit is great. I’m sure you agree with me that many Christians are extremely ethnocentric. They fully believe that their culture and beliefs are superior to all others. It amazes me that they blindly adhere to their “factless faiths” (a made-up term!), but they don’t hesitate to ridicule another cultures belief. I think that it’s the basis for many of our wars – but I am getting way off subject!!

Ellis14

Not at all, my friend. There is no other type of faith! If faith was based on facts then it wouldn't be faith. Faith is belief despite, or in spite, of facts.