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Iskander · 07-01-2012, 09:41 AM

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"...that Jesus had died in the 72 year, in Palestine, when Tito ruled throughout the Middle East region: namely the REAL character (and NOT Pilate!!) who tried to save the life of Jesus!..."
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After having read Josephus and Philo of Alexandria, with regard to Pilate, only the most gullible people may still believe that Pilate had been able to feel pity for a Jew, after he had killed hundreds of them, because he deeply hated the Jews.

His crimes were so many and such that he, after a decade of government in Judea-Samaria, came made imprison by his superior, the governor Vitellius, and sent in chains to Rome, to justify himself in front of Caesar (Tiberius, in those days). Among other things, the 'good' Pilate was also accused of have 'caught' a good part of the treasure of the temple of Jerusalem, with the complicity of the corrupt high priest Caiaphas.

Since the manipulators of the 'flavian' works (Jewish War and Antiquities of the Jews) were in need of a valid and serious reason to justify the arrest of Pilate, they got as a pretext an event(*), which certainly played a subordinate role, compared to what REALLY happened in Judea: a REAL rebellion that forced Vitellius to go with his forces in Judea, in order to regain control of a dangerous situation, triggered from the criminal excesses of Pilate, who then was no longer able to control it, so necessitating the intervention of Vitellius.

It was on this occasion that it came captured the man (a rebel leader) who was REALLY done crucify at the time of Pilate! This man later became the MESSIAH of the JEWISH-CHRISTIAN cult! ....

Obviously this character was not the only rebel to have been captured in this dramatic occasion, and this largely explains the presence of other people crucified with 'Jesus'.

This part of the history of Palestine WAS MADE DISAPPEAR from the books of Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews especially) and replaced with the vapid and hallucinating 'Testimonium Flavianum'! ..

The subject will be resumed in a later post.

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(*) - It was deal with the story linked to the upstream Goratzim, where the 'heretics' Samaritans had built their temple. Pilate, by mean of a band of knights, made to attack an innocent group of faithful who, for religious reasons, were directed towards this mount.

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Interesting reading from a knight of the Risorgimento
Written in the spirit of Garibaldi

Garibaldi

Iskander · 07-01-2012, 09:51 AM

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Tito : Josip Broz (1892-1980), President of Yugoslavia.

Perhaps Tito is one of these volunteers.

Volunteers in the International Brigades, Spain

Duvduv · 07-01-2012, 10:07 AM

I thought Luke was related to the named ELYAKIM or ELYAKUM just as Matthew is MATITYAHU and John is YOCHANAN. I figured that Mark was MORDECHAI.

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The pseudo-name Luke, in fact, derives from the Latin LUCOS (grove, little thicket).
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The name Luke derives from the Greek LEUKOS, meaning white, brilliant.

Sheshbazzar · 07-01-2012, 11:56 AM

Pssst...You're not supposed to think or to figure anything. except what little john dictates to you here.

Littlejohn · 07-01-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Iskander

Interesting reading from a knight of the Risorgimento
Written in the spirit of Garibaldi

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Garibaldi
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THE GREAT, GREAT, GREAT GARIBALDI!....

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Adam · 07-01-2012, 07:24 PM

Littlejohn's Post #69 is a repost of #58.

Littlejohn · 07-01-2012, 10:09 PM

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Pssst...You're not supposed to think or to figure anything. except what little john dictates to you here.
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A trifle may also be taken into account, at least in some cases, when exposed in an intelligent manner and without sarcasm ..... However, I do not think it is your case

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Littlejohn · 07-01-2012, 10:12 PM

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Littlejohn's Post #69 is a repost of #58.
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You're right ... I apologize

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Littlejohn · 07-02-2012, 09:42 AM

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"..Many clues, about the features which mark the character Judas Thomas (including the attribute 'Thaddeus', transliteration of Hebrew Theudas, meaning 'brave')..."
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"...including the attribute 'Thaddeus', transliteration of Hebrew Theudas, meaning 'brave'.."

The attribute 'Thaddeus' (Taddeo in italian), was applied to Judas Thomas after his death, because it was on the occasion of the tragic end of his life that he was able to demonstrate his courage and infinite affection that, for all the life, he had felt toward his brother Jesus

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Tito : Josip Broz (1892-1980), President of Yugoslavia.
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Are you not convinced, ehh? ... It seems to you all very strange, even absurd ....

If everything had been so easy, the truth about the true origins of Christianity would have been discovered many centuries ago ... But it did not happen, and there must be a reason. The catho- idolaters justify everything saying there is no truth other than that prepared by the counterfeiter fathers about 19 centuries ago and that the catholic magisterium respects such a 'truth'.

In contrast, those who reject (rightly) the sacred lies of clergy catho_christian, argue that Jesus never existed and that he is the result of mere mythological syncretism! .. However, refuge themselves in unlikely as 'absurd' as mythicist theories, just because you can not find the 'beginning of the skein', is something that is not just silly, but quite hallucinating also!

'Π' or 'Τ'?.... Pilate or Tito?..

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Huon · 07-02-2012, 09:46 AM

Sorry, Littlejohn, I was not explicit enough.
In italian, Tito can mean the latin name Titus.
In french and probably english, Tito reminds us of the leader of Yugoslavia... and not of some Titus.

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Huon Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bordeaux France Posts: 2,796	Sorry, Littlejohn, I was not explicit enough. In italian, Tito can mean the latin name Titus. In french and probably english, Tito reminds us of the leader of Yugoslavia... and not of some Titus.

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