mrzyphl

OK Saturn9poet I'll take your word for it. But I still think there is a rational explanation for these apparitions.
The biggest reason for my doubt is
1/ why or how ghosts have clothes
a) do clothes have souls and die with the person
b) is there an afterlife clothing store
c) do they need something to keep warm or do they feel embarrased naked
2/ Can they smell, touch, see, hear and taste with their corporeal bodies. If so their organs must be intact and they aren't really dead.
3/ If there is a physical body in the afterlife why bother dying at all.
4/ If light reflects off them they must be mad of solid gas or matter and we should easily be able to detect them and capture them.

Thats just for starters

Plognark

What kind of door was it? Was it glass, so you could see through it?

What time of day did you see the veil thing?

Did you tell your mom about the veil thing before she saw it?

mrzyphl

I'm kinda thinkin that it could've been a real person coming toward her. She then looked down at her key and when she looked up again she expected that person to be in front of her. In reality that person had probably turned down the hall or something the moment her mom looked at her key.

Saturn9 said she was asleep when her mom came home and woke up to her scream. It could be that her mom was so hysterical it prompted Saturn9 to have a deja-vu type vision.

satur9poet

How is that, if she explicitly told me she saw the thing? And we know all our neighbors, and who visits here--not too many people. Who would be lurking around in an old-fashioned dress? It would have been someone she recognized--if that was the case, she would have thought nothing of it.

satur9poet

It was a wooden door with a pane of glass in the middle, which rarely throws reflections because of the angle of the lighting in the lobby, especially during the day. My mom saw the lady in the blue dress during the day.

I saw the veil "thing" in the middle of the afternoon. No sun was shining directly into the apartment, reflecting off of anything. I didn't tell my mom about the veil thing because I was afraid she'd either start freaking out, or think I was nuts. I told her after she saw it--and I think it's a little odd that we should give the exact same description of the same thing, under different lighting conditions and at different times during that same day.

satur9poet

If ghosts exist (and I doubt they do), tell me why they wouldn't be seen wearing clothes. As for the relevance of an "afterlife clothing store" etc, etc, how about you tell me, since you seem to know so much about this subject.

All I'm saying is that I had an experience that I can't explain, which can't be explained away easily. But if it can, please ask relevant questions.

FatherMithras

Because if ghosts are souls that are passed on, it wouldn't make sense they had some kind of clothes unless clothes had souls.

satur9poet

That still doesn't make sense--of course clothes don't have souls! And it's not like they wear real clothes that you can actually touch and observe--maybe they present themselves as wearing what they did during the time they lived--that is, if souls are real and ghosts are real. I've been thinking about it for years and have yet to come up with an explanation that makes sense. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to write this one off as "unexplainable" and just forget about it.

PJPSYCO

I've not proactively searched, but I have heard about rebunking books on ghosts. There are a number of TV programs about Ghosts.

2 major secure rebutles of particular events tend to include:
-If you turn any instument on high enough you can see a lot (the em field detector parascientists use can detect a charged outlet at 50feet if you turn it to max, I do beleive)
-Some of the people seeing ghosts are clinically insane. There are some accounts where the person was later confirmed to be seeing a hell of a lot more than ghosts. Some of this is also related to waking dreams. My father got some personal experience on that one. You want to see crap, don't sleep.

satur9poet

I only wish that applied to me--but I'm both sane and well-rested.