aa5874

First of all, Jesus was presented as the offspring of the Holy Ghost, a myth. All we have are stories surrounding this MYTH.

Now, in the Jesus story, Jesus was talking directly to Peter when he claimed that he would build his Church on the very Peter, the rock.

I must have been implied that Peter would be the leader of the Jerusalem Church as can be clearly seen in Acts of the Apostles.

In Acts of the Apostles there is no record that "brothers of the Lord" and "the poor saints" outranked Peter. You just made that up.


And why did not Eusebius write about a most significant event, the day of Pentecost when the Church of Jerusalem was emporwered with the HOLY GHOST, as promised by Jesus before he went through the cloud?

Peter, James the brother of John and James the son of Alphaeus were there. The author of Acts did not write one single thing about James the Lord's brother talking in tongues and receiving the Holy Ghost.

I cannot find your story about James in any source of antiquity. You probably made up that story. I can ONLY deal with sources of antiquity, not your imagination.

Now, as you should know, there are contradictions between Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings about the time Paul went to Jerusalem, however, it cannot be found where a character called James the Lord's brother was a leader, a bishop of the Church of Jerusalem.

The Pauline writer even claimed Peter was given the Gospel of circumcision, the Gospel of the Jews. Peter was given the Gospel from Jesus.

What Gospel did Jesus give James the Lord's brother?

There is nothing in Acts or the Pauline writings about the Gospel of James the Lord's brother.

We have a leader without a Gospel?

But, this is Eusebius in "Church History" 4.5.1 But, Acts of the Apostles should have been written hundreds of years before Eusebius, so how can he not know about the start of the Jerusalem Church?

There was no tradition in Acts about James the Lord's brother. NONE.

Up to the very last verse in Acts, there is no bishop called James, the Lord's brother.

This is Eusebius again in "Church History" 4.5.3 No such thing can be found in Acts of the Apostles. James the so-called brother of Jesus is not found in Acts. There were two characters called James, one the brother of John and the other, the son of Alphaeus.

It would appear that Eusebius or the author of "Church History" made the switch. It is most likely that James, the Lord's brother was a late forgery in the Pauline writings to match the interpolation in AJ 20.9.1.

dogsgod

aa5874, we are in agreement about this. I go along with a lot of what R. G. Price writes about this as well.



The following is from the link I provided in the OP:


Galatians 2:
9 James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews.

So, here we have James, Peter, and John, who are reputed in Paul's time to be the most important members of the movement. What other sources tell us about these key figures? What other sources would lead us to think that Jesus had a brother named James and that his brother is an important figure in the Christian community? Actually, none of the other early Christian sources would lead us to this conclusion, and indeed they all lead to a different conclusion.


...There is much more to this case however. The Gospels make it clear that James son of Zebedee is the partner of Peter.

Luke 5:
8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus' knees and said, "Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!" 9 For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken, 10 and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon's partners.


It is important to note that the author of the Gospel of Luke never names any siblings of Jesus. He mentions brothers of Jesus one time but the names of the brothers are omitted.

Luke 8:
19 Now Jesus' mother and brothers came to see him, but they were not able to get near him because of the crowd. 20 Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to see you."

21 He replied, "My mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and put it into practice."

In the Gospel of Luke the rejection of Jesus' family is absolute, the author doesn't even bother to name his siblings. The point is made clear that his mother and brothers do not hear or practice God's word.


http://www.rationalrevolution.net/ar...h_followup.htm

Solo

You should know that the traditionalists do not consider James the Zebedee as one of the "pillars". Based on the chronology of the Acts, he was dead (ch.12), by the time Paul went to consult with the leaders in Jerusalem (ch.15).

The Acts 1:13-14 argue against the idea that James (the church leader, who first appears in 12:27), after the death of James the Zebedee, was a brother of Jesus and a member of the twelve at the same time. 1 Cor 15:3-11, whether it genuine Paul or not, is early enough to place James the Just outside the twelve also and seems to know nothing of him being a family relation of Jesus. Significantly also, that passage places the appearance of the resurrected Jesus to James after a mass appearance to "500", and just prior to appearing "to all the apostles", which seems to indicate a late arrival of James the Just and "the apostles" who were outside of the circle of the twelve Jesus appointees. This is the closest NT comes to admitting that the Jesus retinue was adopted into James the Just's congregation in Jerusalem.

Jiri

rhutchin

We can distinguish between two of the James

Ac 12:2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.

Ga 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I [Paul] none, save James the Lord’s brother.
Ga 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,...

Having identified James as the Lord’s brother in Galatians 1, Paul does not have to re-identify James as the Lord's brother in Galatians 2.

In Acts 12:17, the writer records that which Peter said and as Peter saw no need to identify James any further we have no other information.

dogsgod

So we must assume because we see some names that are the same?

aa5874

In Acts of the Apostles there is no character called James the Lord's brother, and the writer contradicts the Pauline letter writer about the apostles that he saw. According to Acts, Paul was introduced to the apostles by Barnabas and Paul also had a meeting with them.

The Synoptics and Papias agree with the author of Acts, not with the Pauline writer, that there were two characters called James, one the brother of John and the other the son of Alphaeus.