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Toto · 04-03-2011, 08:39 PM

Evangelicals counter UNC -CH Bible Scholar

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The release of a new book by UNC-Chapel Hill's pre-eminent New Testament scholar, Bart Ehrman, has long been an unnerving and occasionally intimidating time for evangelical Christians on campus.

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In January, leaders of Campus Crusade for Christ, an international student ministry at 1,140 colleges and universities, decided to fight back with a website critical of Ehrman's conclusions.

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But, Ehrman contends, their views do not represent the consensus among scholars using historians' techniques to analyze ancient texts.

"Look at their credentials," said Ehrman, 55. "None of them teaches at state universities, Ivy League schools, or prominent four-year liberal arts colleges," he said. "People with those views would never get a job at UNC."

Challenging literacy

The website's creators acknowledge that the views presented on their site are one-sided. They even give Ehrman credit for helping educate people about Christianity.

"Bart Ehrman is challenging evangelical Christians' literacy," said Dustin Smith, a senior who helped create and maintain the site. "Leaders in the Christian community haven't raised issues such as apparent contradictions in Scriptures. We're not for an ignorant faith. But we want students to know there are other conclusions."

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CCC just wants students to think that some intelligent people believe that Christianity is true, so they don't have to worry about it and can keep believing.

aa5874 · 04-03-2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

....CCC just wants students to think that some intelligent people believe that Christianity is true, so they don't have to worry about it and can keep believing.

But, it is BART EHRMAN who seems to think that you MUST or should be able to teach at some university to challenge his views about Jesus.

George S · 04-04-2011, 05:30 AM

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But, it is BART EHRMAN who seems to think that you MUST or should be able to teach at some university to challenge his views about Jesus.

Actually, as a professor myself, I investigated him. The first book of his I read was his Misquoting Jesus. It was a "popular" book aimed at the general public. I didn't just take his statements on faith. Instead I got a copy of his textbooks, and his Early Christianities , and other peer-reviewed work. I discovered his scholarship was sound and well-respected.

He is able to make his case in the face of other experts in the field with differing views. He is able to make his case in his "popular" books without the books being inhibiting to the general reader.

Don't believe him. Don't believe me. Judge his scholarship for yourself*.
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* Be prepared to brush up on your Greek. Evaluating the style of the writers of the actual text requires a rather deep knowledge of Biblical Greek.

aa5874 · 04-04-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by George S

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Originally Posted by aa5874

But, it is BART EHRMAN who seems to think that you MUST or should be able to teach at some university to challenge his views about Jesus.

Actually, as a professor myself, I investigated him. The first book of his I read was his Misquoting Jesus. It was a "popular" book aimed at the general public. I didn't just take his statements on faith. Instead I got a copy of his textbooks, and his Early Christianities , and other peer-reviewed work. I discovered his scholarship was sound and well-respected.

He is able to make his case in the face of other experts in the field with differing views. He is able to make his case in his "popular" books without the books being inhibiting to the general reader.

Don't believe him. Don't believe me. Judge his scholarship for yourself*.
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* Be prepared to brush up on your Greek. Evaluating the style of the writers of the actual text requires a rather deep knowledge of Biblical Greek.

BART EHRMAN has made a DISASTROUS FUNDAMENTAL ERROR.

BART EHRMAN claimed that the Jesus story has been changed.

BART EHRMAN BELIEVES one of or parts of the Jesus stories WITHOUT any external credible corroborative sources of antiquity.

The "historical Jesus" can ONLY be an ARTICLE of FAITH without credible corroborative historical sources of antiquity.

BART EHRMAN appears to be NO different to an ANCIENT MARCIONITE. He has NO proof or credible corroborative sources for what he says about Jesus.

Read the words of Bart Ehrman in a debate with William Craig.

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....To sum up, the sources we have are not as good as we would like. They're written many decades after the fact by people who were not there to see these things happen, who have inherited stories that have been changed in the process of transmission....

The JESUS stories NEED EXTERNAL corroboration from credible sources of antiquity.

BART EHRMAN cannot produce ONE corroboration for Jesus.

The "historical Jesus" is an ARTICLE of FAITH and NO different to the BELIEF that the PHANTOM of Marcion seemed real.

Jesus merely SEEMS real to BART EHRMAN but he has NO PROOF of what he BELIEVES about Jesus just like the ancient MARCIONITES.

Examine "First Apology" LVIII

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.... Marcion of Pontus....... preaches........ another son.

And this man many have believed, as if he alone knew the truth, and laugh at us, though they have no proof of what they say, but are carried away irrationally as lambs by a wolf, and become the prey of atheistical doctrines....

Why is BART EHRMAN any different to ancient Marcion?

BART EHRMAN talks of ANOTHER Jesus not found in the NT CANON but have NO proof and uses the very same NT for his OTHER Jesus.

What a DISASTER.

There was ONLY one Jesus.

MYTH JESUS. See ALL the NT CANON and ALL the Church writings.

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