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The Pauline writings are anachronistic.

The abundance of EVIDENCE tends to show that the Pauline writer was aware of Acts of the Apostles, after all, an apologetic source claimed he ALSO was aware of gLuke.

In the Pauline writings, a writer made this claim.
Galatians 1.20- But, there were no churches of Jesus Christ before Jesus Christ was invented. And based on the scarcity of information about Jesus in the Pauline writings it is very unlikely that the Pauline writer invented Jesus even based on his own admission that he persecuted the FAITH before he PREACHED the FAITH.

Now, in the Pauline writings, these words can ALSO be found.

1Co 15:3-4 - But, when I searched for JESUS CHRIST in Hebrew Scripture or the Septuagint I could not find one single thing about JESUS CHRIST.

Hebrew Scripture or the Septuagint did not mention a character called JESUS the Messiah and offspring of the Holy Ghost who died four the sins of Jews before the Fall of the Jewish Temple.

Hebrew Scripture or the Septuagint did not mention a character called JESUS the Messiah and offspring of the Holy Ghost who died, was buried and was resurrected on the third day.

In which scripture can you find Jesus the Messiah who died for the sins of mankind, was buried and resurrected on the third day?

In the Synoptics or in the Memoirs of the Apostles.

Now, based on the writings of Justin Martyr, the MEMOIRS of the Apostles were used as scripture in the churches since the middle of the 2nd century.

"First Apology" LXVII So, the Pauline writer claimed the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ are in the Scriptures and since there is no JESUS CHRIST character in Hebrew Scripture or the Septuagint, the Pauline writers were most likely aware of the the death and resurrection of Jesus through the Synoptics or the Memoirs of the Apostles. After all an apologetic source claimed the Pauline writer was aware of gLuke and the death and resurrection of Jesus can be found in the very gLuke.

The Pauline writings are anachronistic.

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The Pauline writings are anachronistic.

1. There is virtually no external Evidence or external sources of antiquity that can show that the Pauline writers were alive before the Fall of the Temple.

2. There is no EVIDENCE or sources of antiquity, even apologetic sources, that can show the Pauline writers were the first to preach the FAITH.

3. The Pauline writers wrote about a character called Jesus Christ and that there were people who were in Christ before him.

4. The NT Canon has a chronology for Paul with respect to Jesus.

5. Paul heard the voice of Jesus after he Jesus had ascended to heaven, after the day of Pentecost when the disciples were filled with the Holy Ghost and Stephen was stoned to death.

6. Acts of the Apostles place Paul in a basket in Damascus.

7. A Pauline writer admitted that he was in a basket in Damascus.

8. Acts of the Apostles claimed Paul persecuted Jesus believers.

9. Pauline writers claimed they persecuted Jesus believers.

10. Acts of the Apostles claimed Paul traveled to Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi and Thessalonica to visit Jesus believers.

11. There are Epistles that are attributed to the Pauline writers to the Romans, the Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, and the Thessalonians.

12. An apologetic source claimed[B] Paul was aware of gLuke.[B]

13. There is information in the Pauline writings found ONLY in gLuke.

14. A Pauline writer claimed Jesus Christ died, was buried and was raised from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures.

15. Only in the Gospels scriptures can it be found that a character called JESUS CHRIST died, was buried, and was raised from the dead on the third day.


It has been established by the ONLY sources of antiquity, the NT Canon and the Church writers that the Pauline writers are AFTER JESUS CHRIST.

The Pauline writers established that they were aware of the name JESUS CHRIST.


Now, all that is necessary is to find out when Jesus or the Jesus story was FIRST known to the Jews or FIRST written.

There is no indication from external sources of antiquity and highly improbable that there was an actual entity called Jesus the Christ, a Jew, a mere human, who was worshiped as a God by Jews with the power to forgive the sins of Jews.

JESUS was most likely just a story and the Pauline writers were AFTER the Jesus story.

That Jesus was just a story appears to be confirmed by Justin Martyr who wrote nothing about any POST-ASCENSION activities of the Apostles or Pauline writers.

Now, in the 4th century, a writer called Eusebius decided to write the history of Jesus, his disciples and Jesus believers and he said that he could NOT find the bare footsteps of those before him.


Church History 1.1.4 It would appear to me that Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings were either wholly or in part manipulated to appear to be actual history of Jesus, the disciples and a character called Paul around the time the history of the Church was being contemplated.

And this late writing of Acts of the Apostles appears to be confirmed by John Chrysostom c 4th century, when he wrote in his Homilies on Acts.

The Pauline writings are anachronistic and are part of the scheme to present a fraudulent history of Jesus believers by the Church.

Rick Van Vliet

They were written/edited by Marcion. They're Gnostic.

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A most ridiculous unsubstantiated claim.

Did you not claim Paul was alive before the Fall of the Temple slaughtering Jews and did you not make reference to "genuine Pauline writings"?

Marcion propagated DUALISM and the God of Marcion was not the God of the Pauline writers.

Marcion's God was NOT BORN OF A WOMAN.

Marcion's God had NO BLOOD to shed for the sins of mankind.

Marcion's God was a PHANTOM.

And further Hippolytus wrote that Marcion did NOT use the Pauline writings and Origen wrote that Marcion did not manipulate any Gospel.

This is found in Hippolytus' "Refutation Against All Heresies" 7 And this is in "Against Celsus" And this is Justin Martry in "First Apology" LVIII Marcion did not need the Pauline writings.

The Pauline writings claimed the son of God is the Creator of everything in heaven and and earth but Marcion DENIED that the God of the Jews was the Creator.

Col 1:16 - Marcion did NOT write Colossians 1.16.

Romans 1:1-3 - Marcion's God was not predicted by the prophets.

Marcion did not write Romans 1.1-3.

The abundance of EVIDENCE tends to indicate that Marcion did not write or edit the Pauline writings. Marcion may have died even before the Pauline writings were written.

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The Pauline writings are anachronistic.

To claim the Pauline writings were early or before the Fall of the Temple is to completely ignore the writings of Philo and Josephus, the supposed contemporaries of Jesus, the disciples and Paul.

These two Jewish writers had totally eliminated, for virtually the entire 1st century, the notion that the Jews would have worshiped a character called Jesus as a God knowing he was a just a man.

And once Jesus did not exist or was not worshiped as a God by Jews then the Pauline writers become frauds and a LIARS.

The notion that some other character called Jesus was EQUAL to the God of the Jews and called the Creator of HEAVEN and Earth is most unprecedented and most likely would have been of great concern to Jews.

For Jews to have worshiped a man as a God the very LAWS or commandments of God would have to be abolished or discarded.

Examine Ex 34:14 - It is just not conceivable or realistic that the Pauline writers would be able to BLASPHEME the name of GOD in Jerusalem while also claiming to be a Jew and still be able to preach in the synagogues of the Jews.

The worship of JESUS as a God and EQUAL to God by Jews before the Fall of the Temple is just an invented backdated story.

The writings of Philo and Josephus have placed the Pauline writings in the DUSTBIN of history.

The Pauline writings are anachronistic. Jesus was given a NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME in the 4th century, not the 1st.

angelo

The Q community, and Mark, certainly were before the Pauline writings according to most scholars. But that doesn't mean they are right. They were at a minimum two decades after the so-called life of Jesus on Earth, but if that's so, it places the legitimate ones before the fall of the temple. The forgeries much later. Only around 7 of the thirteen Pauline writings are regarded as original and probably written by Paul.

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But, you are not providing any Evidence whatsoever or sources of antiquity to support your position that any Pauline writing was BEFORE the Fall of the Temple. You are just repeating the opinion of some scholars.

An opinion has NO VALUE as EVIDENCE.

The following is EVIDENCE from antiquity not opinion.
1.An apologetic source of antiquity claimed "PAUL" was aware of gLuke. See "Church History" 3.4.8.

2.A Pauline writing contains words ONLY found in gLuke. See Luke 22.19-20 and 1 Cor.11.24-25.

3.The Gospel of gMark does not contain any word-for-word copying of any passage from the Pauline writings.

4. The Gospel of gMatthew does not contain any word-for-word copying of any passage from the Pauline writings.

5.The biography of Jesus in gMark is not found in the Pauline Epistles.

6. The biography of Jesus in gMatthew is not found in the Pauline writings.

7.Details about Jesus in the Pauline writings were NOT used by gMark or gMatthew.

8.In gMark and gMatthew Jesus predicted that HEAVEN and EARTH would pass away SHORTLY AFTER the Fall of the Temple.

9. The PAULINE writers wrote NOTHING about the PREDICTION by Jesus of the Fall of the Temple.

10. The author of John wrote NOTHING about the PREDICTION by Jesus of the Fall of the Temple.

11.The Pauline writers claimed Jesus was the Creator of heaven and earth. See Colossians 1.16

12. The author of John claimed Jesus was the Creator of heaven and earth. See John 1.

13.The authors of the Synoptics did NOT call Jesus the Creator of heaven and earth.

14. The Pauline writers claimed Jesus was EQUAL to the God of the Jews. See Php.2.6

15. The author of gJohn claimed Jesus was EQUAL to the God of the Jews.

16. The authors of the Synoptics did NOT claim Jesus was EQUAL to the God of the Jews.

17. Justin Martyr did not account for any Pauline character, writer or writings up to the middle of the 2nd century.

18. Up to the middle of the 2nd century, Justin Martyr appeared to know ONLY about the STOLEN body story and NOT about the 500 brethren who "SAW" Jesus after he was raised from the dead as found in the Pauline writings. See "Dialogue with Trypho" CVII.

19. Philo the Jew from Alexandria, a supposed contemporary of JESUS and Paul did NOT account for any Pauline character, writer, preacher, missionary or minister who had ELEVATED a Jewish man to be EQUAL to God and deemed to be the Creator of Heaven and Earth with the POWER to forgive the sins of JEWS.

20. Josephus, a supposed contemporary of Paul, did NOT account for any Pauline character who had ELEVATED a JEWISH man to be EQUAL to the God of the Jews and Creator of Heaven and Earth with the POWER to forgive the sins of the Jews.

21. JESUS was EQUAL to the GOD of the JEWS and given a NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME in the 4th century under CONSTANTINE.

The Pauline writings are ANACHRONISTIC.

angelo

Philo is silent on the character of Jesus as well. In fact no one knew or met a historical Jesus. All references were second hand at best. Pauline writings probably are anachronistic.

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It must be noted that it was the Emperors of Rome who were GIVEN a NAME ABOVE every other NAME and to whom EVERY KNEE should bow in the Roman Empire during the time of Philo and Josephus.

Philo wrote about the Emperor Gaius, Caligula, who had a name ABOVE every other in All the Roman Empire except among the nation of Jews.

It was the God of the Jews who had a NAME ABOVE all other NAME.

Neither Philo nor Josephus mentioned a character called Jesus the Christ who was EQUAL to the God of the Jews with the POWER to forgive the sins of the JEWS as found in gJohn and the Pauline writings.

It is also interesting to note that Justin Martyr, writing c 140-150, could NOT name a single post-ascension follower of Jesus outside of the apostles for a period covering about 100 years.

From Simon Magus, c 41-54 CE to Marcion c 140-150 CE, Justin Martyr ONLY met an UNNAMED OLD MAN before his conversion.

After the ascension of Jesus, there was a BLACK-HOLE of history for any NAMED BELIEVERS of JESUS for about 100 years, based on Justin Martyr.

Justin Martyr wrote about and NAMED the so-called HERETICS like Simon Magus, Menander, the Valentinians, Marcians, Basilidians, and Saturnilians, and Marcion, but did NOT write about Paul, Saul, Luke, Mark, Timothy, Barnabas, Apollos, Jude, James, Philemon, Silas or any so-called prominent writers or ministers of the post-ascension Jesus story.

Justin Martyr did not write about or NAME a single post-ascension BISHOP of any REGION up to his time.

Justin Martyr CLEARLY depicted a BLACK-HOLE of history for any NAMED JESUS BELIEVERS for about 100 years after the supposed ASCENSION of JESUS.

The Pauline writings are ANACHRONISTIC.

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The Pauline writings are anachronistic.

This is Colossians on JESUS 1.16-17 But, when the writings of Justin Martyr are examined up to the middle of the 2nd century, it was the GOD of Moses that was called the Creator of heaven and earth, NOT Jesus.

JESUS was second to God up to the middle of the 2nd century, NOT equal to God the Creator.

"First Apology" VIII"First Apology" XIII "First Apology" XX So, the writings of Justin Martyr are consistent.

There is NO mention of any Pauline writers, NO mention of any Pauline activities and NO mention of the elevation of Jesus to the Creator of heaven and earth and EQUAL to the God of Moses as found in the Pauline writings.

It must be noted also that Jesus was NOT called the Creator of heaven and earth in the Synoptics, but was EQUAL to God and the Creator of heaven and earth in the LATER gospel of John.

The Pauline JESUS is compatible to the gJohn Jesus, NOT the Synoptics, and appears to be confirmed by the writings of Justin Martyr.

Now, up to the middle of the 2nd century, Justin Martyr mentioned passages that are fundamentally similar to the Synoptics and Revelation and nothing from the Pauline writings.

The Pauline writings are anachronistic, Jesus was NOT known as the Creator of heaven and earth and EQUAL to God up to the writings of Justin Martyr c.150 CE.