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Old 04-25-2007, 08:50 PM   #11
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Perhaps you should refer to the first post. "Irrefutable evidence of Jesus' miracles" need to be supplied. I was commenting to that statement. Why would anyone need irrefutable evidence of that? Do they also need irrefutable evidence of anything else written two thousands years ago? Or do you take what you have and examine it? Do you claim the whole thing that is written in it's entirety to be false. And, FYI, the Muslims who die for whatever reason, don't think it is a lie. I do, they don't. They would not do it if they did not believe in their core that it is the truth. And those who were writing the Bible were risking their lives. They would not have done it, if to them it was not true. The Disciples would not have preached Christianity after Jesus' death, if they did not whole heartedly believe that he appeared before them. They abandoned him while he was crucified for fear of dying, but after that they were willing to die for him. Psychologically this does not make sense. If they were not willing to die with him, what would change their mind after? Psychologically, analyze that. Oh yes, I know what the Egyptian's believed. I was not saying anything other then, it is a piece of history that you can't dispute. We don't examine their religion and say well, this can't possibly be what happens after you die, so the hieroglyphics in their entirety must be all lies. Don't we examine them anyways without prejudice?
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It sort of reminds me of the slogan I've seen a few times: "Prayer Changes Things." THAT I'd like to see evidence of.
Have you tried it?
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One more quick thing, what is the probability that all the writers of the Bible were deluded?
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One more quick thing, what is the probability that all the writers of the Bible were deluded?
What is the probability that all of the writers of the Koran were deluded?

The Shastras?

The Book of Mormon?

etc
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Have you tried it?
Have you?

What can you achieve by praying?
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What is the probability that all of the writers of the Koran were deluded?

The Shastras?

The Book of Mormon?

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Ask the person who brought delusion up when it comes to the writer's of the Bible. Islam is based on a delusion however. Self admittedly. I don't think they are delusional, just misguided. How many religious peoples are there in the world? I highly doubt that every person who has a belief system is deluded, but I also never alluded to that so, like I said, ask the person who brought it up.
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Have you?

What can you achieve by praying?
Incredible strength, patience, self confidence, reassurance, happiness, comfort, understanding, need more?
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:06 PM   #18
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Can anyone show me irrufutable proof that jesus saved anyone anywhere,I am not talking about "A BELIEF" I am talking about irrefutable evidence that jesus saved anyone anywhere from anything.
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During my days living in the Bible Belt I shopped at a grocery store that had the ubiquitous Jesus Saves sign out front. Someone had added at the end in red paint the word "here." Took you a minute, didn't it?
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Incredible strength, patience, self confidence, reassurance, happiness, comfort, understanding, need more?
You need prayer for those things?

Can prayer bring you something that can't be found in the self-help section of your local bookstore?

Lots of people have those same things with no prayer necessary.

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Islam is based on a delusion however. Self admittedly. I don't think they are delusional, just misguided. How many religious peoples are there in the world? I highly doubt that every person who has a belief system is deluded, but I also never alluded to that so, like I said, ask the person who brought it up.
Your sentences don't seem to make a lot of sense, and sometimes contradict each other.

"Islam is based on a delusion"

"I don't think they are delusional, just misguided"

Anyway, they same the same thing about your religion. You seem to miss my point that you are excluding your religion from the delusion factory, by way of special pleading. You seem to believe that christianity gets special exclusion, whereas all the other religions are deluded or misguided.

You read it in an old book, so did they. There's no reason for me to believe your assertions over the Muslim's assertions.
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