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aa5874 · 04-16-2012, 06:58 PM

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aa5874 ,

The rejection and crucifixion of Jesus the Messiah are not predicted by OT prophecies. Said prophecies were taken out of context and misused by Christians as part of the evolution of Jesus from a regular defeated man to a god who knew all along he was going to be crushed by the authorities.

Your claim is erroneous and is just an AD HOC explanation without substance.

In the very Jesus story, the supposed the disciples did NOT know what Jesus was talking about.

Mark 9

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31For he taught his disciples, and said unto them , The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed , he shall rise the third day.

32But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

jdl · 04-16-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by James The Least

I heard Robert M. Price on his "Bible Geek" podcast say that he heard that Ehrman just farmed out all the research on Mythicism to his students, and had them write summaries for him. He never actually read Price or Doherty.

If Ehrman was working with extracts or summaries, that would certainly explain a few things, e.g. Ehrman's Most Bizarre Criticism Of All Against Doherty.

Can you give us a rough date for the episode? I'd like to try to find that one. I don't listen to the show as regularly as I used to.

Joseph

James The Least · 04-16-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by James The Least

I heard Robert M. Price on his "Bible Geek" podcast say that he heard that Ehrman just farmed out all the research on Mythicism to his students, and had them write summaries for him. He never actually read Price or Doherty.

If Ehrman was working with extracts or summaries, that would certainly explain a few things, e.g. Ehrman's Most Bizarre Criticism Of All Against Doherty.

Can you give us a rough date for the episode? I'd like to try to find that one. I don't listen to the show as regularly as I used to.

Joseph

April 12 episode, starting around the 4:00 mark.

stephan huller · 04-16-2012, 07:56 PM

i don't believe that. I'd have to see some evidence for that

jdl · 04-16-2012, 08:01 PM

Have you read the post on Vridar, Stephan? Either Ehrman is a sloppy reader or he's working with extracts. I don't see the alternative.

Steven Carr · 04-17-2012, 12:17 AM

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i don't believe that. I'd have to see some evidence for that

I would also have to see evidence for that.

Bart did get the name of Doherty's book wrong in his text.

But that is just sloppy proof-reading, not farming out research to students.

Judging by what Bart writes about his students, I can't believe he would consider them capable of reading books and summarising them.

Vorkosigan · 04-17-2012, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

i don't believe that. I'd have to see some evidence for that

I totally agree. Having finished it, I think it is all Ehrman. In any case there are no serious stylistic variations, meaning that he (or one hand) tightened it up. So whatever is in there, he bears responsibility.

Vorkosigan

jdl · 04-17-2012, 03:29 AM

I've typed out a transcript of Price's remarks.

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Now here's something before we get the questions. You know we've had a lot of discussion here on the Bible Geek and there's been a lot on the Bible Geek listener's page about the Bart Ehrman book Did Jesus Exist?. I and others have expressed that while we are not at all surprised that New Testament scholars don't buy the Christ Myth hypothesis for various reasons, we're pretty surprised reading this book at the, I guess I have to say, the poor quality of it, the blatant and systematic misrepresentation of Earl Doherty and Acharya and some others, and utter failure to come to grips or even to understand certain theories and arguments by myself, by Frank Zindler and G. A. Wells and others, where you wonder how can this guy who is so astute, as he shows in so many of his writings, do such a superficial and unfair hack-job here. I'm sorry to say that. Let's be blunt, though.

Well, I think I found out today just how this anomaly developed . A bible geek who shall remain nameless, just so he doesn't get into as much trouble as I'm about to do, though he can come forward and verify it if he wishes, was talking to one of the graduate assistants or students of professor Ehrman at Chapel Hill. What do you know?! He did even read the damn books, he just farmed them out to students who did reports on them, on the basis of which he levelled his criticisms. Now I get it. I guess this doesn't merit an appendix in the book Forged because it's not exactly a forgery, but you can see why that would occur to me. So I'm telling you, you can't even do your own homework. I mean, that's pretty much Josh McDowell's level from scholarship, isn't it? I wish he would actually read the books and then do another stab at a particular Christ Myth theory. Then it would be worth reading.

Joseph

James The Least · 04-17-2012, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

i don't believe that. I'd have to see some evidence for that

I totally agree. Having finished it, I think it is all Ehrman. In any case there are no serious stylistic variations, meaning that he (or one hand) tightened it up. So whatever is in there, he bears responsibility.

Vorkosigan

I didn't mean to imply that Price said Ehrman's students ghost-wrote the book for him. What Price's source is alleging is that Ehrman outsourced the research to his students, had them write summaries of the Mythicist books, and then used those summaries to write "Did Jesus Exist." Ehrman certainly wrote the book, but Price is saying that it's based on research that his students did.

dog-on · 04-17-2012, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

I totally agree. Having finished it, I think it is all Ehrman. In any case there are no serious stylistic variations, meaning that he (or one hand) tightened it up. So whatever is in there, he bears responsibility.

Vorkosigan

I didn't mean to imply that Price said Ehrman's students ghost-wrote the book for him. What Price's source is alleging is that Ehrman outsourced the research to his students, had them write summaries of the Mythicist books, and then used those summaries to write "Did Jesus Exist." Ehrman certainly wrote the book, but Price is saying that it's based on research that his students did.

So Ehrman allegedly critiqued cliff notes?

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