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Rational BAC · 02-25-2005, 09:41 AM

And so would yours be interesting.

Probably be pretty much word for word my definition----if you leave out the religious strawman bias.

You go first. ---

Rational BAC · 02-25-2005, 10:09 AM

Don't want to go first, eh?

Can't blame you.

I don't want to either.

Oxymoron · 02-25-2005, 10:24 AM

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Don't want to go first, eh?

Can't blame you.

I don't want to either.

Oi! I have flu... and it's more than a 3-line definition. Later maybe.

Evoken · 02-25-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jagella

Good question. I would like to know exactly what God is. Is he animal, vegetable, or mineral? What is he made up of? What does he look like? Can we see or recognize God?

Jagella

No, God is not animal, vegetable or mineral..that is he is not material but spiritual. As far as looks, God can and has decided to make himself known to man in different ways: the burning bush, thru angels and most importantly thru his Son. But these are not really a proper or accurate definition of how God looks but on the ways he makes himself known to man.

Stephen T-B · 02-25-2005, 11:38 AM

And who said these are the way God makes himself known to man?
Why - men of course.
And how do we know they're right?
Because God told them.
And how do we know God told them?
Because they say he did.
And why should we believe them?
Because God told them to tell us to believe he told them.
And why should we believe God told them to tell us that he told them?

I get it! Because God told them to tell us to believe them that he told them .

Makes such good sense.

Oxymoron · 02-25-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by IAsimisI

As far as looks, God can and has decided to make himself known to man in different ways: the burning bush, thru angels and most importantly thru his Son. But these are not really a proper or accurate definition of how God looks but on the ways he makes himself known to man.

So what comes first: belief in alleged miracles, or the belief in a god to cause them?

Evoken · 02-25-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen T-B

And who said these are the way God makes himself known to man?
Why - men of course.
And how do we know they're right?
Because God told them.
And how do we know God told them?
Because they say he did.
And why should we believe them?
Because God told them to tell us to believe he told them.
And why should we believe God told them to tell us that he told them?

I get it! Because God told them to tell us to believe them that he told them .

Makes such good sense.

Yeah, like if you do not rely on second hand experience and knowledge every day. And also, the way you put it is a far cry on how things actually are.

Jagella · 02-25-2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rational BAC

Your concept of a religious person certainly does not apply to me. Nor, I suspect does it apply to the vast majority of religious people.

Perhaps, but I hope you realize that many religious people experience some of the phenomena that I listed. Nevertheless, mental illnesses might cause a person to believe in somebody that they cannot see but is somehow still there. Does that sound like a religious person who believes in God? It looks that way to me.

Jagella

muTron the homeless · 02-25-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxymoron

Not necessarily. It depends on those complex factors I mentioned. I don't know how fucked up you need to be to beat your kids, but it doesn't appear to be that much more fucked up than just belief in the sky daddy as your personal saviour.

Sorry I have been gone. I am enjoying this exchange and I think this thread is very interesting....

I agree beating children for exorcisms is fucked up. Going to church on Sunday is...dull? Quaint? Devotional?

but the fucked up equivalent to child abuse?????????????????????????????

Let me preface that i thought some of your ideas were intriguing BUT you lost with the above quote....

I need to know if you really posit that child beating in a particular instance is equal to theism in general. If so, I am not sure there is anything else to talk about...

muTron the homeless · 02-25-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Killer Mike

The key is whether their claims are supported by valid research. Most books purported to argue atheists have some kind of father figure syndrome are usually by Christian authors whos degrees in psychology/counseling are from Christian institutions. There is simply no valid scientific research or reliable evidence to support their claims.Its like books that claim gay people can be converted to heterosexuality by counseling. Here is another book you might consider: "The Psychology of Religion" by David Wulff. It is a college level textbook used in many universities. David Wulff is a professor at Brown University, in Providence RI. Also as I mentioned in another post Oxford University Press recently published a book "Religion and Mental Health". It contains several articles by different college professors who specialize in the psychology of religion. Anyway, I encourage you to do some more indepth research on your own.

Thank you for references. I would like to do more research and I will try to check them out ASAP. (By ASAP I mean before I die!) I really do appreciate the source material though.

And I do tend to disregard the "theists" (read conservative Xian) research on atheists who hate their fathers....

These sources do sound very interesting.

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02-25-2005, 09:41 AM	#121
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	And so would yours be interesting. Probably be pretty much word for word my definition----if you leave out the religious strawman bias. You go first. ---

02-25-2005, 10:09 AM	#122
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	Don't want to go first, eh? Can't blame you. I don't want to either.

02-25-2005, 11:38 AM	#125
Stephen T-B Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 5,878	And who said these are the way God makes himself known to man? Why - men of course. And how do we know they're right? Because God told them. And how do we know God told them? Because they say he did. And why should we believe them? Because God told them to tell us to believe he told them. And why should we believe God told them to tell us that he told them? I get it! Because God told them to tell us to believe them that he told them . Makes such good sense.

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