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Old 01-13-2012, 10:28 AM   #31
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And that quote is perhaps the best position the gospel JC 'historicists' can make - opt for a real flesh and blood Jesus and ditch the claims and the effort to establish historicity.
But of what use is such a scaled down Jesus to them, MaryH?

AS H. L. Mencken noted generations ago:

Either Jesus rose from the dead or he didn't. If he did, then Christianity becomes plausible; if he did not, then it is sheer nonsense.

Jesus without the magic tricks is not worth worshiping.
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And that quote is perhaps the best position the gospel JC 'historicists' can make - opt for a real flesh and blood Jesus and ditch the claims and the effort to establish historicity.
But of what use is such a scaled down Jesus to them, MaryH?

AS H. L. Mencken noted generations ago:

Either Jesus rose from the dead or he didn't. If he did, then Christianity becomes plausible; if he did not, then it is sheer nonsense.
That word 'plausible' is cute.
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And that quote is perhaps the best position the gospel JC 'historicists' can make - opt for a real flesh and blood Jesus and ditch the claims and the effort to establish historicity.
But of what use is such a scaled down Jesus to them, MaryH?

AS H. L. Mencken noted generations ago:

Either Jesus rose from the dead or he didn't. If he did, then Christianity becomes plausible; if he did not, then it is sheer nonsense.

Jesus without the magic tricks is not worth worshiping.
Of course, rising from the dead is 'sheer nonsense'. And if that is what Christianity was about back at ground zero - then it is nonsense

But before we get to that topic we first have to find the man who, legend has it, rose from the dead. By opting for a real flesh and blood man - putting aside claims for historicity - which can't be historical verified - Christians can turn a blind eye at the ahistoricist/mythicists. Giving up that fight, which they can't win, they can sleep peacefully with their dreams of gentle Jesus and his promises of heavenly rewards. Faith is a very strong sedative.

Even if one wants to ditch the magic tricks, Christians would still want a human anchor for their traditions. Robin Hood, King Arthur - all of that romantic stuff - Jesus in plain clothes could still have relevance. Even with feet of clay - flesh and blood heroes can inspire others to greater personal heights.
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Even if one wants to ditch the magic tricks, Christians would still want a human anchor for their traditions. Robin Hood, King Arthur - all of that romantic stuff - Jesus in plain clothes could still have relevance. Even with feet of clay - flesh and blood heroes can inspire others to greater personal heights.
Well, if the magic tricks in gMark, the Earliest Jesus story, are ditched then Christians might as well WORSHIP John the Baptist.

John the Baptist did NO magic tricks in gMark.
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Even if one wants to ditch the magic tricks, Christians would still want a human anchor for their traditions. Robin Hood, King Arthur - all of that romantic stuff - Jesus in plain clothes could still have relevance. Even with feet of clay - flesh and blood heroes can inspire others to greater personal heights.
Well, if the magic tricks in gMark, the Earliest Jesus story, are ditched then Christians might as well WORSHIP John the Baptist.

John the Baptist did NO magic tricks in gMark.
So a choice between a beheading and a crucifixion is it?

Methinks crucifixion makes better jewelery.....
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Even if one wants to ditch the magic tricks, Christians would still want a human anchor for their traditions. Robin Hood, King Arthur - all of that romantic stuff - Jesus in plain clothes could still have relevance. Even with feet of clay - flesh and blood heroes can inspire others to greater personal heights.
Well, if the magic tricks in gMark, the Earliest Jesus story, are ditched then Christians might as well WORSHIP John the Baptist.

John the Baptist did NO magic tricks in gMark.
So a choice between a beheading and a crucifixion is it?

Methinks crucifixion makes better jewelery.....
Sorry, the crucifixion makes FAKE Jewelry.

Josephus, (your "prophetic" historian), only mentioned the death of John the Baptist. See "Antiquities of the Jews" 18.5
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Even if one wants to ditch the magic tricks, Christians would still want a human anchor for their traditions. Robin Hood, King Arthur - all of that romantic stuff - Jesus in plain clothes could still have relevance. Even with feet of clay - flesh and blood heroes can inspire others to greater personal heights.
Well, if the magic tricks in gMark, the Earliest Jesus story, are ditched then Christians might as well WORSHIP John the Baptist.

John the Baptist did NO magic tricks in gMark.
So a choice between a beheading and a crucifixion is it?

Methinks crucifixion makes better jewelery.....
Sorry, the crucifixion makes FAKE Jewelry.

Josephus, (your "prophetic" historian), only mentioned the death of John the Baptist. See "Antiquities of the Jews" 18.5
Nothing fake about the diamonds in this crucifix......

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All you see are the sparkle and brilliance of the extremely fine GH/VS2 quality diamonds. The weight of the cross is substantial at 17 grams and this cross would look fantastic on a long thick chain. If you prefer to wear it close to the neck for big drama, an omega will fit through the bail as well.
Availability: In Stock

Price: $8599 (Retail Value: $20000)
Comes with a Certificate of Authenticity

http://www.myjewelrysource.com/diamo...s-pendants.htm
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Nothing fake about the diamonds in this crucifix......
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All you see are the sparkle and brilliance of the extremely fine GH/VS2 quality diamonds. The weight of the cross is substantial at 17 grams and this cross would look fantastic on a long thick chain. If you prefer to wear it close to the neck for big drama, an omega will fit through the bail as well.
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After reading Josephus, how much would you pay for the symbol of a FAKE event?
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Nothing fake about the diamonds in this crucifix......
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All you see are the sparkle and brilliance of the extremely fine GH/VS2 quality diamonds. The weight of the cross is substantial at 17 grams and this cross would look fantastic on a long thick chain. If you prefer to wear it close to the neck for big drama, an omega will fit through the bail as well.
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After reading Josephus, how much would you pay for the symbol of a FAKE event?
No more than I would pay for a picture of this fake event....zero.....And, No, before you ask - I don't believe everything I read......



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But of what use is such a scaled down Jesus to them, MaryH?

AS H. L. Mencken noted generations ago:

Either Jesus rose from the dead or he didn't. If he did, then Christianity becomes plausible; if he did not, then it is sheer nonsense.
That word 'plausible' is cute.
Embarrassing, too?
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