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Clearly Jesus of Nazareth was NOT Jesus of Gamala.

Jesus of Nazareth was supposedly crucified under Pilate when Caiaphas was High Priest, Herod was Tertrarch and Tiberius was Emperor of Rome or some time between c 27-37 CE.

Sheshbazzar

All mythology.

stephan huller

But again the question which has to be answered by anyone who takes Christianity seriously is - what 'new thing' did it offer the world? What was its solution to the problem of sin? The age old claim that it made Judaism freely available to everyone only makes sense after 140 CE. Jews and Samaritans were free to proselytize before the time. There were many Jewish proselytes in the east. Why on earth would anyone embrace a watered-down wishy washy form of Judaism when the real thing was freely available? The traditional model just doesn't make sense.

Chili

Very interesting topic Clive, and I agree that they Nazarene Sect as a movement was totally wrong in this.

Spin once, way back when, made the clear distinction between a Nazaroid (I think he spelled it), as a Nazorean-by-nature, and a Nazarite by Order that equals desire instead of nature's will. These two so become opposites in the same way as those 'begotten of God' are opposite to those "who were begotton not by blood, nor by carnal desire, nor by man's willing it, but by God," the passage goes and hence the but in Jn.1:13.

To show that a true Nazorean is a hermaphrodite as called to be, I would go to Gen.1: 27 where:


To say that male and female is androgyne with the potential to become either male or female, that here now when the Son of God is 'called' becomes a hermaphrodite = neither male nor female but just the nueter Man with no human-ity about him and so no sexual-ity either, nor an -ism, or an Order as order-ly. He is just a Freeman without desire for whom the kundalini has been raised from the crotch to the heart, and that is the first call of the 'priestly order' called by God and is where the Gospels now begin for him.

Now let me add that I see no history in Gen. 1, 2 and 3, and so for me it is talking about us as individual created 'one by each' as life goes on in lala-land where sex is fun, -- and these days procreation increasingly is more a choice than a natural event.

So now, in the 'natural call' by God the opposites are removed between the left and rigth brain by the seclusion of Elizabth that hitherto was poised against each other to make the male and female known among humans in kind, that was also furthered by religion so they can procreate as opposites, etc.

In the end is our sexual-ity an illusion to which we respond, and so it is no loss in Eden where only reality is real and actually should be done to him in natures own way and time.

And then of couse self castration is just a stupid thing to do, and in fact social nuetering with the promotion of 'gender equality' is dumber yet as now the entire herd soon will be hermaphrodite.

Let me add that this social nuetering is all 'psychology driven' by PhD's who designed this national if not universal castation party while impaired by their own PhD, which is the eighball they do not see, while from the other side fertility clinics will soon be our biggest industry, and they still don't see, but blame the farmer now, I think, for contaminating the food we eat.

Chili

I would further be leary of Matthew sophistry as it is a natural consequence in evidence of the call that is made by God, and never is a 'call to order' that he drops as a hint suggesting that "some have freely renounced sex for the sake of God," which would be against their own sexual-ity.

Toto

Why should religion make sense? There have been two recent books on the modern "religion" of Scientology, neither of which explains its appeal to outsiders. To quote one review

Chili

He calls it mystery but remains a fantasy without results; opposite to which a mystery is iconic and does bare fruit.

Sheshbazzar

The 'real thing' Jewish religion had proceeded into being a morass of legalism and stupid man made rules and ridiculous and senseless injunctions.
One that thought the only way to bring salvation or the Bible's promises to the Gentiles was by carving off their foreskins and making them into Torah observant JEWS.
Whereas 'salvation to the Gentiles' required maintaining their distinctive Gentile status indefinitely.
The TaNaKa tells us that the 'World to Come' under the Messiah will be filled with Gentiles worshiping the Holy One of Israel.
That being so, why in the hell would any sane Gentile ever wish to become circumcised and live like a 'real Jew', in subjection to the Levitical Priesthood and its 10,000 stupid Jewish rules and regulations?

Chili

No, salvation to the gentiles is not in worshiping the Holy One of Israel but to stand convicted under the law when it comes alive in them, and so 10.000 stupid Jewish laws would slice the sinner from all directions coming and or going even as 'stupid' even sounds already like and invitation, yet the law is good, Paul said in Romans, and was that not Paul who said?

DCHindley

Funny you should mention the subject of what mysteries Scientology feeds its flock. When I lived in Los Angeles around 1979, there was this young couple about my age who lived in the same apartment building. I knew they were members of the Scientology movement from an earlier conversation.

One day the gal side of the equation knocked on my door. I was a little surprised she came alone and said she "just wanted to talk." I let her in and she sat on my cheap upholstered chair (the apt came "furnished") and we yakked for a few minutes, mostly about Scientology. I also told her that someone had called me earlier that day (he must have got my phone number from directory assistance as he was the first person to call me in LA ever) and asked me if I got his "message," then told me I was "cute." I told him he had the wrong guy. However, upon looking around for this "message" I realized someone had left a note under my door earlier that day. It was a scrap of paper with weird oily stains on it which asked a lewd question about sexual preference and provided a phone number. I laughed and gave her the note assuming that she would prank call the guy. She seemed delighted.

Then she abruptly said she needed to go, and just before she left also the cryptic statement: "I sure am glad I got rid of those fleas!" Puzzled by the comment, I proceeded to watch some TV for a little, but noticed I was itchy. I flipped around and pulled down my Hollywood Bed and tried to go to bed, but the itching continued. I turned on my lights and looked closely at my bedsheets, and noticed several fleas hopping about.

It took a trip to a 24 hr convenience store for some flea killer spray, which I liberally applied throughout the chair, carpet and bed. It did the trick, but it was more than irritating to realize that she appeared to have actually brought those fleas into my room and released them on purpose. Although I am not sure the note and the visit were connected, I am a great non-believer in coincidence. I have long suspected that I was a the subject of a Scientology "mystery sandwich" experiment.

True story.

DCH