Toto

Our rules are that you cannot accuse someone in the discussion of lying because it inflames the discussion. But this does not apply to public figures, such as President Bush.

But there is some cleanup and a possible split called for on this thread, so I am locking it before it gets any worse.

ETA: I have cleaned up some inflammatory off topic content. I am concerned about the allegations that Bart Ehrman is a <expletive> liar, but that doesn't break any rule here, unless it can be contrued as defamatory, but that decision is up in the air. The words do seem to do more harm to Nazaroo than Ehrman at this point.

But this thread is not out of the water yet.

Toto

I am moving this to E.