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08-21-2007, 07:58 AM | #11 | |
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I'm also not sure how to differentiate between "Jewish messianists" and the first Christians. I would say that whomever first proposed this interpretation of the text already believed in a crucified messiah and did not derive it from the text. |
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Romans 1.4, 'And declared to be the son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection of the dead'. 1 Corinth.15.12, " Now if Christ be preached he that rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?" So, we see that the authors of the Epistles have the propensity to make references to events that are most likely false, the resurrection. Bearing this in mind, the veracity of the crucifixion story is now questionable. Did ePaul get his resurrection and crucifixion stories from the same source? Both the resurrection and the crucifixion cannot be true, ePaul appears to believe both are true. ePaul appears not to be able to tell the difference between belief and actuality. The Epistles cannot establish the crucifixion of Jesus. |
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Paul does not claim to have been present to witness Jesus crucified, etc He does claim to have received all his information about Jesus directly from "Jesus" years after Jesus was resurrected. I agree that the epistles cannot historically establish the crucifixion of the Jesus described in the gospels. The gospels can't either. Both categories of writings, whoever the authors were, merely make assertions anc claims. |
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Well, your agreement is reasonable. It cannot be established that Jesus was crucified. |
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I checked all your replies and I have noticed there is nothing pertaiing to the OP. What is your position on the alledged crucifixion of Jesus under Pilate?
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It is not derived from Hebrew Scripture and is contrary to a desire to obtain converts. Got anything else? Quote:
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Your objection seems to me to be based entirely on inadequate information on the subject including what Paul has to say about it. |
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