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07-08-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Herman Hedning

Right, but if he just got some more sunlight I'm sure he'd start mutating in all kinds of ways.

Wouldn't work for vampires, man.

deadman_932 · 07-08-2007, 10:40 PM

I'll go along with that about samurai. Okay, so have we decided on Bigeye Tuna Man here? (I'll resist making jokes about..well...)

07-08-2007, 10:43 PM

Ok, tell ya what. I'm gonna get me a bong and a bucket of water and practice turning into a Southern Bluefin Tuna. The buggers are endangered anyway so they need all the help they can get.

Chris Weimer · 07-08-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Elijah

If half the animals of a particular species go to the trees when the food runs out and half the animals burrow into the ground after roots then that's going to create the differences between the species we see. The reason some of the animals live where they do is because at some point they had to.

That's really not true at all. We see animals live where they do because their ancestors contained the genes favorable to their conditions. Extinction alone proves your theory wrong. All animals should just "adapt" in a few generations and "change their DNA".

deadman_932 · 07-08-2007, 10:54 PM

Mung, : you'll need plenty of plant material in that bong to change your DNA. I recommend Sensimilla.
Edit: what happens if you smoke bufotenine? Will I turn into The Toad, like the X-Men?

ericmurphy · 07-08-2007, 11:01 PM

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Cool. Let's see you do it.

No, they weren't.

Also wrong.

But if you don't go out and stand in the water and try to breathe, then how will your children ever learn it? Or your children's children? Someone's gotta be the first to teach his/her genes how to breathe water, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans

Where did you get from that that dolphins evolved from dog-like ancestors?

07-08-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by deadman_932

Mung, : you'll need plenty of plant material in that bong to change your DNA. I recommend Sensimilla.
Edit: what happens if you smoke bufotenine? Will I turn into The Toad, like the X-Men?

Gave up teh sens. Makes me head go funny it does.
Never tried toads. They're not appealing critters.

07-08-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

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Originally Posted by Elijah

If half the animals of a particular species go to the trees when the food runs out and half the animals burrow into the ground after roots then that's going to create the differences between the species we see. The reason some of the animals live where they do is because at some point they had to.

That's really not true at all. We see animals live where they do because their ancestors contained the genes favorable to their conditions. Extinction alone proves your theory wrong. All animals should just "adapt" in a few generations and "change their DNA".

Good point. Hadn't thought of that but extinction is probably the next topic Elijah should have a go at.

cyris8400 · 07-08-2007, 11:30 PM

I'm no "Lamarckist", but I've heard that Lamarckism exists among some types of crustaceans. This weirded me out when I heard it but I heard of it from a credible source. I'm inclined to believe it myself because the guy who told me about it is a college prof and knows a shit-ton about the biological sciences (mostly zoology, human anatomy, and paleontology), but I haven't independently investigated into myself.

Apparently these things could grow spines within their life-time then pass down these features to offspring.

The whole thing sounds to me like the seemingly Lamarckian evolution of blindness in blind cavefish, which turned out to involve pleiotropy instead.

However the deal is that these crestaceans are a fascinating anomaly and, however the little buggers pull off some type of Lamarckism, life by and large operates by simple Darwinism.

I could talk to my source for this and find out specifics if necessary.

07-08-2007, 11:47 PM

Cool. How's about just grabbing a couple of species' names off him. Then we can do our own Googling if necessary.

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07-08-2007, 10:40 PM	#112
deadman_932 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Altadena, California Posts: 3,271	I'll go along with that about samurai. Okay, so have we decided on Bigeye Tuna Man here? (I'll resist making jokes about..well...)

07-08-2007, 10:43 PM	#113
mung bean Guest Posts: n/a	Ok, tell ya what. I'm gonna get me a bong and a bucket of water and practice turning into a Southern Bluefin Tuna. The buggers are endangered anyway so they need all the help they can get.

07-08-2007, 10:54 PM	#115
deadman_932 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Altadena, California Posts: 3,271	Mung, : you'll need plenty of plant material in that bong to change your DNA. I recommend Sensimilla. Edit: what happens if you smoke bufotenine? Will I turn into The Toad, like the X-Men?

07-08-2007, 11:30 PM	#119
cyris8400 Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 134	I'm no "Lamarckist", but I've heard that Lamarckism exists among some types of crustaceans. This weirded me out when I heard it but I heard of it from a credible source. I'm inclined to believe it myself because the guy who told me about it is a college prof and knows a shit-ton about the biological sciences (mostly zoology, human anatomy, and paleontology), but I haven't independently investigated into myself. Apparently these things could grow spines within their life-time then pass down these features to offspring. The whole thing sounds to me like the seemingly Lamarckian evolution of blindness in blind cavefish, which turned out to involve pleiotropy instead. However the deal is that these crestaceans are a fascinating anomaly and, however the little buggers pull off some type of Lamarckism, life by and large operates by simple Darwinism. I could talk to my source for this and find out specifics if necessary.

07-08-2007, 11:47 PM	#120
mung bean Guest Posts: n/a	Cool. How's about just grabbing a couple of species' names off him. Then we can do our own Googling if necessary.

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