Dave Hawkins

I don't know about their history prior to my father. Yes, my father introduced good hygiene to the Wai wais, but why do you suppose Noah's early descendants did NOT have good hygiene? I should think they also knew a lot more than you think did about medicine. They evidently carried some pretty advanced knowledge with them from pre-Flood times. Woolley excavating at Ur found some pretty advanced stuff--medical texts, scientific texts, astronomical texts, schools, etc. Skeptics who frequent these boards seem to have the odd view that man's cultural development was Dumb->Less Dumb->Fairly Smart->Really Smart, the "Dumb" starting about 5000 ya and the "Really Smart" being the Modern Era. Well ... I don't think that squares with the evidence.

Pappy Jack

Then how does it square with the Dynastic Era in Egypt? Medical knowledge in Egypt was at least as advanced as anywhere else; indeed, New Kingdom Egyptian doctors could be found in most neighbouring important foreign courts, either as chief physicians or as advisers. I would also be interested in how much more 'advanced' you think Ur of the Chaldees was than Dynastic Egypt?

Sven

And I can tell you two things:
1) 400 is 50 times more than 8. But this does not strike you at all being in any way important.
2) You never addressed this post, where I pointed out that a population of less than 50 individuals is considered to be critically endangenered". 50 is still more than 6 times more than 8.

And followed this directly afterwards with:

However, before you get too excited, this means nothing.

There was a star lined up with the north/south axis of the pyramid in 2170 BCE. There have been many stars which have lined up with the north/south axis at various times, and there have been many stars which have lined up with the east/west axis at various times.

But you don't ever quote out-of-context, Dave, we know.

HoverCraftWheel

Can you substantiate those numbers Dave? The only figures I can find on the internet say there in the year 2000 there were around 2020 Wai Wai in Brazil and 130 in Guyana. (from here).

VoxRat

Correction:
There is no reason at all to believe this.

You're comparing:
(1) a situation where a decimated jungle tribe is given access to the medicines and technology and resources that have allowed the "first world" to experience the post-industrial population explosion

with
(2) a [mythical] situation where all resources have been erased.

VoxRat

In case my point wasn't abundantly clear, let me emphasize:

You're comparing a situation where an isolated, beleaguered group is suddenly given access to the resources of the entire rest of the human population to a situation where a group - previously used to relying on the conveniences of interacting with the rest of the human population - is suddenly deprived of that interaction AND pretty much all resources altogether, and concluding that the population growth in the one situation is a pretty good guide to the other.

Makes less than no sense to me.

The Evil One

How did Noah manage to be super-hygienic when the entire planet was covered in two miles' thickness of mud?

Roland

Not just mud, but a world full of decomposing plants and bodies.

Cege

Why do you assert that only the King James describes a tower reaching to heaven? Other versions of the bible also convey the same idea: a tower that would reach to the heavens and bring fame to the builders.

Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."

5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." NIV

4They said, "Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven... NAS

And so on.

Why do you initally include 8 adults as being reproductive in your chart for the descendants of Noah? (Noah and his wife aren't listed as having any more children after the flood, even though Genesis says that Noah lived another 350 years. Even though he was described as "righteous" Noah and his wife had only 3 children in 600 years before the flood, none afterward.) There are only 6: Shem, Ham, Japheth, and their 3 wives.

Genesis 10 lists the lineage of Shem, Ham, and Japheth through their sons, grandsons, greatgrandsons. You should be able to count the male descendants before Genesis 11, which tells the tower of Babel story. Apparently the (not listed) daughters of Shem, Ham, and Japheth married their brothers and first cousins.

Although it's not absolutely clear from the bible when the tower of Babel was being built, a location is given as the plains of Shinar. Gen 10 says that a grandson of Ham named Nimrod developed Shinar. It seems reasonable to deduce from the verses that Nimrod's generation of descendants was building the tower of Babel and the city surrounding it, but not necessarily all of the descendants of Noah to that date were living in the Shinar plains.

Steviepinhead

Why does your lack of curiousity not surprise me.
Yet you continue to avoid showing how this "pretty advanced knowledge" got from "Noah's early descendants" into the structure of the Great Pyramid. If Philitis, Prince of Israel, architect supreme, and part-time shepherd didn't do it, who did? And if you don't have any evidence that the supersecret cosmological measurements embodied in the GP trace back to the advanced knowledge of the Noachians, why not admit that fact, rather than continue to avoid it?