aa5874

According to Kent F, Marcion=Paul that is why Justin did NOT mention him.

Well, the list of INVENTED writings will grow.

We have another BISHOP of the Church that claimed Paul was 100 years BEFORE Marcion.

The Bishop of the Church of Lyons called Irenaeus.

"Against Heresies" 3.1.1 1. Writings under the name of The Bishop of Rome called Clement were invented.

2. Writings under the name of the Bishop of Antioch called Ignatius were invented.

3. Writings under the name of the Bishop of Lyons called Irenaeus were invented.

Duvduv

INVENTED......can you take an educated guess as to WHO were responsible for inventing them at that time, or even perhaps AFTER the 4th century?

aa5874

Next we examine the writings of under Tertullian

"Against Marcion 4.5 If Marcion=Paul then writings under the name of Tertullian were invented.

mountainman

The WHO must be at least two parties. We must assume there were at least two parties of authors: the orthodox canonical authors and the gnostic non canonical authors. The orthodox canonical authors had available to them the Greek LXX, while the Gnostics had available to them both the Greek LXX and the Greek new testament canonical books.

The Gnostics were still writing in Coptic in the mid 4th century before the closure of the canon. There are many $50,000 questions - one of my favorites is the WHEN:

For $25,000 WHEN do we have solid evidence for the appearance of the canonical books?
For $25,000 WHEN do we have solid evidence for the appearance of the non canonical books?

We are dealing with two sides of the one coin. Any satisfactory history of christian origins must factor in both sides. The history of the 4th century however reminds me of a Möbius strip, which although it has two sides, has been TWISTED and forcibly re-joined to allow only the one true orthodox and heresiological side to be revealed.

aa5874

Now, examine The Stromata 7 attributed to Clement of Alexandria. The author of the Stromata places Paul about 100 years BEFORE Marcion.

Again, if Marcion=Paul as KENT F suggests then writings under the name of Clement of Alexandria were INVENTED.

Let us look at the List of INVENTED writings as it grows.

[ 1. Writings under the name of the Bishop Clement of Rome.

2. Writings under the name of the Bishop Ignatius of Antioch.

3. Writings under the name of the Bishop of Lyons Irenaeus.

4. Writings under the name of Tertullian.

5. Writings under the name of Clement of Alexandria.

Duvduv

aa5874, please provide some helpful suggestions as to who you think might have forged writings using these names and under what circumstances this occurred.
Thanks,
Dave2

aa5874

I suggest that you READ the TRANSCRIPTS yourself.

You can READ "Church History" attributed to Eusebius and then read "Against the Galileans" attribute to the Emperor Julian.

Duvduv

I am very sorry to say that I don't know what you are referring to. I simply asked you to give your best estimate as to who you believe authored the apologist texts and when if not in the second or third century.
If Irenaeus is a fictitious name, who authored his book against heresies and when?
Same for Tertullian and anyone else.
Thanks.

aa5874

First of all you should be familiar with writings attributed to characters called Eusebius and the Emperor Jaulian.

Secondly I don't give BLIND estimates unless there are sources to corroborate.

I can say without reasonably doubt that writings were INVENTED like the Pauline writings, the Ignatius writings and that of Clement of Rome.

Again, you should know that Irenaeus may have existed but writings were FALSELY attributed to him.

Duvduv

How were the epistles falsified as a group given how different they are from one another if they don't represent the ideas of any groups prior to Nicaea?