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Chili · 02-17-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

Spinoza's statements about the Inquisition come from the TTP which was published during his lifetime, so there is no question of censorship or adulteration of his views.

Oh no, I meant that he was censored or even excommunicated from Judaism for his views. Am I not right on this?

Chili · 02-17-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by madmax2976

I think the interesting thing about the whole issue is the all the tortures and burnings were conducted by theists, predominantly Christians - who believed their actions were morally correct and appropriate. Whether the acts were carried out by church officials doesn't seem all that important.

You are right but it was the Church that convicted them just as Jesus was convicted by the Jews. Notice that from my perspective we should be proud of it.

Chili · 02-18-2006, 11:15 AM

No bites?

Let me say again that it was the will of Jesus that he be crucified after being convicted by the Jews. Willingly he sacrificed himself with the words 'Yes I am' and soon after that "it is finished." We are proud of that and are forever indebted to Judaism for this liberation theology.

So here we have the same scenario except that these heretics did not walk away from it after they said "yes." It just proves the heresy, that's all, but rather costly and much more so if future Reformers never learned anything from this. :banghead:

Are we proud of it? No, of course not but we never were the authority in charge of the nation. Herod was and Pilate's was just the local Inquisitor.

Anat · 02-19-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

He is saying that if the government opts for coercive measures against Jews, it should grant them full rights if they comply with those measures. He is silent on the wisdom of the measures. The overall point is that Judaism in its outer manifestations would disappear if it were not an object of hatred. It is a vicious cycle: hatred arises from separation, separation arises from hatred. I hope that we will someday see the last of this.

I think the Amish are even more self-separated from mainstream society than Jews ever wished to be. They may be ridiculed somewhat, but TMK not actually hated. There is more to hatred than a group choosing to remain separate.

No Robots · 02-19-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Anat

I think the Amish are even more self-separated from mainstream society than Jews ever wished to be. They may be ridiculed somewhat, but TMK not actually hated. There is more to hatred than a group choosing to remain separate.

Good point. I was simplifying. Hatred of Jews indeed involves far more than simple separation.

Chili · 02-19-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

Good point. I was simplifying. Hatred of Jews indeed involves far more than simple separation.

. . . such as eternal damnation?

Thomas II · 02-19-2006, 09:08 PM

To the servants:

Hold a bit on the fatten cow...

Maybe Tostitos and salsa for now...

:huh:

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02-18-2006, 11:15 AM	#33
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	No bites? Let me say again that it was the will of Jesus that he be crucified after being convicted by the Jews. Willingly he sacrificed himself with the words 'Yes I am' and soon after that "it is finished." We are proud of that and are forever indebted to Judaism for this liberation theology. So here we have the same scenario except that these heretics did not walk away from it after they said "yes." It just proves the heresy, that's all, but rather costly and much more so if future Reformers never learned anything from this. :banghead: Are we proud of it? No, of course not but we never were the authority in charge of the nation. Herod was and Pilate's was just the local Inquisitor.

02-19-2006, 09:08 PM	#37
Thomas II Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 8,254	To the servants: Hold a bit on the fatten cow... Maybe Tostitos and salsa for now... :huh:

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