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Old 07-18-2007, 08:43 AM   #1
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At what point would you say that a person understands evolution?

I think that Evolution Theory proponents are the one who don't really understand EVOLUTION! They are asserting something in natural science that they don't really know.

HERE IS THE PROOF;

Almost all Evolution Theory scientists are deceiving the public by not directly describing the correct definition of Evolution Theory.

Look at the TALKORIGINS definition of Evolution Theory,
“One of the most respected evolutionary biologists has defined biological evolution as follows:

"In the broadest sense, evolution is merely change, and so is all-pervasive; galaxies, languages, and political systems all evolve. Biological evolution ... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual. The ontogeny of an individual is not considered evolution; individual organisms do not evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportion of different alleles within a population (such as those determining blood types) to the successive alterations that led from the earliest protoorganism to snails, bees, giraffes, and dandelions."
- Douglas J. Futuyma in Evolutionary Biology, Sinauer Associates 1986


It is important to note that biological evolution refers to populations and not to individuals and that the changes must be passed on to the next generation. In practice this means that,
Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations.
This is a good working scientific definition of evolution; one that can be used to distinguish between evolution and similar changes that are not evolution.

Another common short definition of evolution can be found in many textbooks:

"In fact, evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next."
- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989 Worth Publishers, p.974


One can quibble about the accuracy of such a definition (and we have often quibbled on these newsgroups) but it also conveys the essence of what evolution really is. When biologists say that they have observed evolution, they mean that they have detected a change in the frequency of genes in a population. (Often the genetic change is inferred from phenotypic changes that are heritable.) When biologists say that humans and chimps have evolved from a common ancestor they mean that there have been successive heritable changes in the two separated populations since they became isolated.”
FROM: Link Here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evol...efinition.html



DO YOU KNOW how they deceived the public? They did not DIRECTLY say that Evolution Theory is a theory of the origin of species by appealing on nature alone. They did surely know that Darwin had talked about Origin of Species. They are simply covering their true nature, deceiving the public. Why they are very afraid to tell to the world that they are simply talking at the end about the “origin of species”? BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT talking “ORIGIN” is talking supernatural in science. In the Christian world, we called this deception as “a dangerous wolf wearing a sheep’s clothing”.

In conclusion, Evolution Theory proponents themselves don't understand their own theory!
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I think that Evolution Theory proponents are the one who don't really understand EVOLUTION!

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In conclusion, Evolution Theory proponents themselves don't understand their own theory!
And then there are those who do not understand reality.

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Old 07-18-2007, 08:58 AM   #3
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I think that Evolution Theory proponents are the one who don't really understand EVOLUTION!

<blather snipped>
In conclusion, Evolution Theory proponents themselves don't understand their own theory!
And then there are those who do not understand reality.

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The reality in natural science is INTERRELATION, the unreal/fable/mythology thing in science is EVOLUTION Theory.
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The reality in natural science is INTERRELATION, the unreal/fable/mythology thing in science is EVOLUTION Theory.
The unreality in un-natural science is ISOLATION, the real/true/fact thing in science is not CREATIONISM.

Wow, that was easy.

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They did not DIRECTLY say that Evolution Theory is a theory of the origin of species by appealing on nature alone.
All science investigates the inherent properties of the natural world by making observations and trying to quantify patterns in those observations. Science necessarily excludes God from the equation.

And the fact that science works suggests that God is not in fact a major driving force in the universe.
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And then there are those who do not understand reality.

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The reality in natural science is INTERRELATION, the unreal/fable/mythology thing in science is EVOLUTION Theory.
This statement is unforgivable. You clearly do not understand the meaning of ANY of these words:

Reality
Natural
Science
Interrelation
Unreal
Fable
Mythology
Thing
Evolution
Theory

I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your participles, articles, and copulae, although perhaps that's too generous of me.
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They did not DIRECTLY say that Evolution Theory is a theory of the origin of species by appealing on nature alone.
All science investigates the inherent properties of the natural world by making observations and trying to quantify patterns in those observations. Science necessarily excludes God from the equation.

And the fact that science works suggests that God is not in fact a major driving force in the universe.
I understand you well. We had the same thinking/mind.

What we observed and are observing in nature is not "origin", that is, evolution but simply changes, that is interrelation.

That is why I am saying that Evoluton Theory proponents are the one who don't/didn't understand this theory of evolution (= theory of origin of species) at all!
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That is why I am saying that Evoluton Theory proponents are the one who don't/didn't understand this theory of evoltion (= theory of origin of species) at all!
And how are things in the Twilight Zone these days?
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The reality in natural science is INTERRELATION, the unreal/fable/mythology thing in science is EVOLUTION Theory.
This statement is unforgivable. You clearly do not understand the meaning of ANY of these words:

Reality
Natural
Science
Interrelation
Unreal
Fable
Mythology
Thing
Evolution
Theory

I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your participles, articles, and copulae, although perhaps that's too generous of me.
Maybe you are the one who doesn't understand evolution?
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The reality in natural science is INTERRELATION, the unreal/fable/mythology thing in science is EVOLUTION Theory.
The unreality in un-natural science is ISOLATION, the real/true/fact thing in science is not CREATIONISM.

Wow, that was easy.

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I did not say that Creation Theory is not supernatural origin. I admit that Creation Theory is supernatural theory of origin of both universe, of life, of species, and of everything.

But can you admit with all your heart that Evolution Theory is an origin theory? And therefore, a fable theory?
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