chapka

In other words, heads you win, tails I lose.

You came here with what you claim is an argument which proves that God exists. Other people--including other theists--point out that your argument doesn't prove anything. You reply that argument is pointless and anyone who agrees with you is wrong simply because they disagree with you.

Your arguments would have as much force if you'd simply posted, "I am right and you are wrong" and left it at that.

Here's a hint: what you call "worldly wisdom" other people call logic, reason, and common sense. If you can't justify your God on that basis, it doesn't mean you can't believe in him or her. But it does mean that you have no business pretending to try to convince other people by argument.

I've tried many times to engage you in the argument that you promised in your OP you would win. You've repeatedly shown that you have no interest in arguing, only preaching. Now you admit that you refuse to listen to any argument that disagrees with you. You've basically turned on your auto-preacher, stuck your fingers in your ears, and said "La la la la la."

All in all, you've shown that you're not interested in a discussion. This is a discussion board. So why are you here?

Visionary7

What's your point?

My point, Our bodies when we are deceased go back to the ground since the Most High spoke the curse in Genesis.Even the snake still crawls on its belly to this very day.

In Genesis God said. :notworthy

And I do not require any atheist spirit to maintain my strengthening and arguments for atheism. More power to me then... and you're falling back on the "God exists because we are talking about him" argument.




And yet earlier you say that:



By degrading the Buddha to the status of an idol, I am sure you are blaspheming the Buddhist religion.

Thou shalt have no other god's apart from me.

:notworthy




Yet another example of blaspheming other religions.



Oh, so impact and effect is taken as the proof for truth now? Hitler did some terrible things that no one will forget for years to come, but were his ideologies the truth?
On the other hand, the Arab-Muslim empire, during its golden years, provided some of the finest scientists and philosophers the world has ever known, and the knowledge that they discovered was probably the catalyst for the European Rennaisance (opinion, but you can't disagree that the Muslims were at the forefront of science and technology in that period). Is their religion the true one?[/QUOTE]



My basic stance is that I have accept Christ into my heart as Lord and Savior, If the qu'ran denies that Jesus is the Christ then I do not condone thier religion, however they are set on destruction and suicide bombing.

The time is coming when people will kill because they think they are doing God a service.

Job?
Doubtless you are the people!
and wisdom will die with you.

and yet, you infidels do not understand God because you choose not to accept him. My basic non-offensive 0.02 cents.

again, Where is the wise man?, Where is the Scholar?

:notworthy

Visionary7

2. I just here to get to know people and check out the ideas of other forums, have fun and try not to about God so much. But I can't help it.

His word is like fire shut up in my bones.


I presume these types of questions are gathering so I woulde eligible for a ban.

I don't want to get banned, please?



What is the bottom line of why the secular infidels choose to reject God in a single sentence. Your servant, v7

DinoStoned

And I proved that our bodies do not necessarily go back to the ground. Read that post again.
The snake crawls on its belly because it evolved that way, and some ancient people decided to use 'God' as an explanation for why it crawled. Just like how they explained thunder as being created by some deity, and so on. It's a myth.

You have effectively shown that where principles and religion conflict, you abandon your aforementioned principles of not degrading other religions, and go for your own religion. That doesn't make you a better debater in any case, especially since your alleged principles were better and more reasonable than most moral values in the Bible in the first place.

My post was in response to the fact that you posted, and I paraphrase, Christianity has had the most impact on humanity, and that is why it was truer than other religions.
I begged to differ, and now you run off at a tangent, saying that all the advances the Muslims made were for nothing, as they are 'set on destruction and suicide bombing'. You demonstrate your own ignorance of Muslim teachings and your own close-mindedness. Plus, you do not condone their religion because they do not accept Jesus as the Christ. Hello? If they accepted Jesus as the Christ, they would be called CHRISTIANS, wouldn't they?

Also, by the same argument, I could say that everything your Christian scientists have discovered do not matter in the argument of 'impact'; just look at the Inquisition, witch burnings, and the destruction George W. Bush has perpetrated on Iraq, allegedly with the permission of your God.
(Granted, it was not a religious war, but he did claim that God said it was all right. On a side note, will I derail the topic thread by bringing the Iraq war in? Feel free to edit my post if that happens, mods)

The old 'do not understand because you choose not to accept him' argument. Basically, you are saying if I accept God, I'll be able to make all sorts of miraculous and wondrous excuses for him regarding his past brutality, present indifference and future sadism?
I'll pass, thank you.
And the wise men and scholars are mostly in universities, as others have so kindly pointed out.

Hm, you seem to like putting :notworthy smilies after your Biblical quotes.

Uh, no. I don't think you're going to be banned for not discussing in a discussion forum, but the most you are going to achieve here is nothing. So I think chapka is pointing out that it is a waste of your time being here, if you do not want to discuss logic, reason, and how those pertain to your faith.

Agnostic Theist

I'm a Yorkshire man, sonny!

I'm not entirely sure what you mean to infer by 'Biblical sense', but the answe is no. I mean we cannot know God full stop. (That's period for you Americans)

DinoStoned

In the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, to 'know' someone means to have 'sexual relations' with that someone. Just a little inside joke, don't mind me.

Visionary7

With God all things are possible.

Do you understand this verse?


Hebrews 2.8
and put everything under his feet."
In putting everything under him,
God left nothing that is not subject to him.
Yet at present we do not see everything
subject to him.

I apply this to science and everything revolving around nature that is seen with the open eye.....

Please don't forget that you are arguing againist God's word,You may argue against me and I will try to present it. I also forgive the insults and look over them. Why does the debate seem so hostile?

Amen

DinoStoned

Everything pertains to God. Even if we don't see the connections between God and everything else, the connections are there.

You look at science and infer the existence of your God. I look at science and infer the non-existence of your God. To convince me to change my viewpoint, merely saying that your viewpoint is the correct one because it has the backing of a God is not enough.
My viewpoint is based on 'worldly wisdom'. And since, as you say, everything is subject to God, that includes 'worldly wisdom'.
So go ahead. Find something in the wisdom of the infidels that can be used to prove God. God created everything after all. It can't be too much of a challenge, can it?

Is that a scare tactic? To remind me that I'm arguing against God's word, and God doesn't like arguments against his word... well, "If your God is so great, let him come down to defend himself." Sound familiar?

About the insults part... don't forgive them. Defend yourself against them. Prove that the insults were unfounded, prove that I was wrong about you by typing those insults. By glossing over them you only strengthen my conviction that those insults have hit close to home.

The debate has turned hostile? Well, my manner may be a little harsh, but here's a word for you. Hypocrisy. I'm getting tired of pointing out your double standards when it comes to religion. I'll try my best to keep my manner civil from now on, lest you wail about infidels dragging you through a spiritual pit again. Sorry bout that.


P.S. It would be much easier if you dissected my arguments and systematically refuted each of them, instead of lumping the whole post together (your recent trend) and using a quote from the Bible to defend yourself.

Visionary7

I was going to make a new thread in the appopriate forum but since we've already jumped into the water..

verse..


Quote:
4 And Jesus said to her,"Woman , what concern is that to you and to me? My hour has not yet come." 5


For some reason I felt pointed to this verse because of Christ's use of the word 'woman', it seems synonymous but I would conclude that Jesus is omniscient. Does anyone see how the verse she shall be called woman was said so indiscreetly by Jesus at the beginning of the his spoken words. I'm suprised how I get into these little details.

Gen. 2.23
The man said,

"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh
she shalled be called 'woman,
for she was taken out of man.


Anyone care to refute this if possible?

Can a Moderator... nevermind I need to send Roland98 or Catalyst a pm to request this thread hijacked to the Existince of God forum.If a mod reads this, will they do that please?

It seems like a reasonable request since elsewhere is for social talking and lounging.

Visionary7

I am.

Psalm 42.2
My soul thirsts for God, for the living God
when can I go and meet with God?
my tears have been my food day and night
while men say to me all day long
"Where is your God?"


1. What does our discussion boil down to?


Can you understand and attempt the parables of Jesus?