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Old 07-25-2005, 07:32 AM   #1
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Default YEC Creationists: let's debate sedimentology

Some of the best lines of evidence for the great antiquity of Earth are found in sedimentary rocks. I would like any YEC creationists to explain to me how any of the following can be explained in a young-earth context.

1. Sequence stratigraphy...the existance of very large units of sediment that start with a prograding package of sediments deposited during lowering sea levels which are then capped with a transgressional surface indicating sea level rise. Often they can inter fossil reefs in their distal facies. These packages are stacked one on top of another to great thicknesses, sometimes with stacked reefs too, indicating cycles of sea level rise and fall. The existance of these sed packages are very well-documented as they are a major souce of petroleum and so are sought out by exploration geologists.

2. Trace fossil formation... for example in the Cincinnatian Formation (late Ordovician) which consists of several hundred feet of exposed interbedded limestone, mudstones, and shales, there are dozens of horizons preserving tracks, traces and burrows of marine invertebrates. Each of these surfaces represents a depositional hiatus long enough to allow some consolidation of the exposed sea floor, the emplacement of abundant tracks, trails, and burrows, then another depositional event which interred and preserved them. This would take time, a matter of weeks or months. Dozens and dozens of these track layers occur in the Cincinnatian alone. If one then incorporates all of the track layers that occur in formations overlying the Cincinnatian, all through the Paleozoic and Mezozoic sedimentary record, many thousands of these layers are present. How do you create a surface, colonize it, inter it, and repeat thousands of times in 6000 years? (not to mention that the track making organisms also change over time through these miles-thick sediments)

These are just a couple of the issues the sedimentary record raises with YEC. I'd be happy to debate evidence of these or other lines of sedimentologic evidence you might wish to introduce. In the words of a not-too-wise man..."Bring it on..."
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Old 07-26-2005, 04:44 AM   #2
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Yeah, that's what I thought. No YEC's can even begin to explain the real facts of geology in a young earth context.
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Yeah, that's what I thought. No YEC's can even begin to explain the real facts of geology in a young earth context.
Well, you have to realize, most of the people here get it already. So you're basically waiting for drive bys or regular creationists who are well versed in this stuff.

Saddly, we get a lot of the first but they seldom have more than half a clue, and we have no regular creationists that I know of. :huh:

On a related note, I'd like them to explain millions of varves too...
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Your brainwashing by the geologist evolutionists appears to be complete. Congratulations.
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On a related note, how about sedimentary deposits that are of an obviously fluvial character, i.e. meandering channel, floodplain, levee and crevasse splay deposits, along with the trace fossils of terrestrial organisms? Did Noah's flood make that? How about when it's in the Paleozoic sequence underneath a couple thousand meters more of sediment?
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Yeah, that's what I thought. No YEC's that saw my challenge and wanted to debate you can even begin to explain the real facts of geology in a young earth context.
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I'm sure someone could. Not an area of interest for me.
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Why are you "sure someone could"?

I'm fairly sure nobody ever has, or will, or could.
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Why are you "sure someone could"?

I'm fairly sure nobody ever has, or will, or could.
Why am I sure someone could begin to explain it?
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Yes, I'd like to see someone begin to explain it, and we can see how far they'd get.

I'm guessing something like "the Flood was a cataclysmic event, there was a lot of rain and mudslides, some critters made trails in the mud between mudslides". Then we can move on to their explanations of sun-dried cracked mudflats in the middle of the torrential rain, and so forth.
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Yeah, and I really want to see an explanation for the immensely thick salt layers that are in between these sedimentary layers. Since when can a flood lay down a layer of salt 100ft thick and hundreds of miles across?
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