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The fringe nutters are those that make up another story about Jesus that is unevidenced by any of the actual sources. Today these fruitcakes are referred to as HJers. At least Christians deal with the sources, however gullible their dealing might be... |
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Catholic and Lutheran doctrine is that it is not symbolic, but actual. This literalism is, of course, an absurd distortion of Christ's use of the Jewish symbolism of the Afikomen.
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I don't know if Jews wrote anything we read now in the NT (Revelation seems a good candidate) but clearly someone was mining the available Greek versions of Jewish literature. For the sake of argument we could identify these writers as Jewish apostates or heretics, which more or less describes Paul. Another choice would be syncretistic gentile proselytes.
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Wouldn't the Ebionites/Nazoreans be closer to what you're alluding to? Their Jesus was a prophet, born and died like other men. |
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That's not any way to talk about Jesus. I think someone paid these syncretistic gentile proselytes good gold to fabricate Jesus from the Greek texts of the LXX. |
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Having said that, 1. "Fringe" requires, for a proper context, not only time but place (country and/or region of country). 2. It would be really nice if people like us (well, me, at least) could influence the next wave of poll-takers to ask not only are people Christian, but also follow-up questions, such as, do they believe Jesus healed the woman with an issue of blood, raised Lazarus from the dead, etc. I suspect the degree of Christian belief (in the US) is softer than the answers to the single, basic question would suggest, and I think the sooner people are forced to answer relatively detailed questions that involve the same depth of cognitive abilities as driving to work, the sooner many people will realize that maybe they really aren't Christians in the current, US sense of the word. Unrelated to your intended direction, perhaps, but I couldn't resist my sense of wanting to capitalize on the fact that some of these core Christian beliefs would, I think, be regarded as plain, outright goofy if anyone but Jesus were playing the lead role. Cheers, V. |
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"Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning..." — C.S. Lewis
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to." — C.S. Lewis (Mere Christianity) |
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