lpetrich

Hugh Ross is an old-earther; he also believes that the "created kinds" are individual species. He has criticized other creationists as hyperevolutionists for believing in superfast evolution after Noah's Flood; he has provoked this response.

So God looks completely human? Can God make mistakes or commit sins? Can God get sick or become senile? Does God get lonely?

I think that the truth is what a wise man named Xenophanes once said:And look at the ways that Jesus Christ has been depicted -- Nordic Jesus Christ, black Jesus Christ, etc.
Growth of a moral sense may also require growth of appropriate areas of the brain; there is something called "sociopathic syndrome", in which an adult has the moral sense of a little child, being cruel, unscrupulous, you name it. Such adults are often either criminals or else in professions where they can get away with lack of conscience.

Yahzi

No, it depends on the quality of the idea.

There are two possibilities; 1) we are all narrow-minded bigots who stick together no matter what, or 2) your ideas aren't very interesting, insomuch as we've heard them all 10,000 times already, and know more about where they came from and what they lead to than you do.

I think there is suffiicient evidence to make a determination of which is the case.

If you'd care to offer some new ideas, or to rationally and dilgently discuss the old ones, I think you'll recieve an entirely different reception.

show_no_mercy

That's a non-answer.

gravitybow

So, God rested on the fourth day and the seventh day? What theology is that from? :huh:

mart0224

How exactly does morality come form god? Even conceding the point that he made morality, how are we bound or affected by it? Does he shoot it into us via an invisible lightning bolt or what? By what mechanism does it work?

Also, my daughter is in her terrible twos. She definitely doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. She just doesn't have the mental capacity to deal with such abstract levels of thought.

In the Creator of the Cosmos book the guy sent me, Ross said the bible talks about the big bang because it mentions the word "stretched." He also says the bible talks about multiple dimensions (ten I think).

He also said the universe could not have come about naturalistically or by chance because then there would be no meaning to life nor basis for morality. As a result, he discounts all arguments that don' include a creator. He then calls naturalists biased because they allegedly reject the possibility of a creator.

These people are amazing. They are undoubtedly intelligent but somewhere they prematurely draw the line between intelligent and stupid.

funinspace

Ah, so we all are bastards... :devil3:

JesusLovesYou

Nope, not judging, just wondering why the shoe fits different.


[QUOTE]Your opinion, you can have one and so can I.


[QUOTE]So you think that it takes religion for good people to do evil? So murder, theft, rape, adultery, etc. wouldn't be bad if it wasn't for religion, great.


[QUOTE][Quote=Plognark]Which one can be labelled a heretic or blasphemer, or excommunicated for following a different interpretation?[QUOTE]

Dang I don't know not Catholic.

[QUOTEYou mean you haven't seen the paintings that are being sold that the elephant does? Some are really neat.


[QUOTE]I responded to the OP, and have been trying to answer you alls questions ever since, so if you don't want to discuss the old stuff don't ask the old questions. I am not even sure we are on the topic that started this or not anymore.
So sounds like a good idea, no new ideas for old questions, and no more answers for questions that don't have to do with the OP. Then maybe I would have to put up with the reception as you call it.





















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funinspace

Hey Jesus Loves you,

An FYI...It's not always contention here. And when a theist presents an interesting idea, I at least try to acknowledge it. I agree it doesn’t happen allot around here, but I think that's more due the reality that many of the people here are extremely well read, and that theists are seriously out numbered here. Here's a thread that I was involved with that did just that. Jdlongmire offered an interesting view on Joshua's solar object demands, and I found it interesting:
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=115685 Post 33

I happen to also notice that theists rarely acknowledge a non-theist idea often either, sounds like us humans are pretty consistant in this regard.

Agnostic Theist

I got 'In the beginning was Jack, and Jack's word was 'Shit!' since Jack was bored and being bored is..well...shit. Hence in the beginning was Jack and 'Shit;, ergo Jack shit.

So for x billion years (if we go with this 'scientist' there's fuck all, then the sun gets created, then the earth, then the light of the sun hits the earth and suddenly the speed of light increases so it doesn't take a fuck long time for light to travel from the sun to the earth.

mart0224

Can you elaborate on this please. My Bible says "In the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.1 Now the earth was formless and empty."2

Are you saying it took god 8 million years to create the earth? The earth is said to exist in the gen 1:2. How much time passed between gen 1:1 and 1:2?

Did the author of genesis know the universe came into existence 13 billion years ago? Did the author know he was describing the big bang? (The xian I mentioned above says the bible mentions the big bang and 10 dimensions.)