Amos

You understand it very well Devilnaut and it really is a tribute to Judaism. In heaven we are circumsized by natural law (a broken reed he shall not crush) and untill such time are we circumsized by religious law for two reason, first, to develop a stream of consciousness that is needed to maintian religious order, and second, to provide the forbidden fruit needed to become lost as members of our own religion (here Judaism but Catholicism is much the same).

The laws are written upon our soul (as if in stone) but are part of religion nonetheless and must be removed before we are totally free (Zamjatin's "WE" is good in this but so is Romans 7).

The NT text are not antisemetic and if they appear to be antisemetic the reader should examine his own judgement first. Maybe this is another good reason for literary censorship of the bible.

Amos

If it makes you happy, you can read the word Catholicism where I wrote Judaism and to really please you I should add that this happens more often in Catholicism.

RED DAVE

fROM aMOS:

Amos, frankly, I'm beginning to think that not only are you an antisemite, but you're crazy.

RED DAVE

Amos

That's a scary statement Doctor X and I wonder if you realize that that the holocaust happened because some people saw it like you do?

I wonder if Red Dave would agree with me on this.

Amos

Well I am neither and let me take you to Galatians 5:4 to show you that this same is true for all believers. "Any of you who seek your justification in the law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from Gods favor!" So here we have the situation where 'born again' believers tried to cling to the old law and seek favor with God.

The Children of Israel did the same and therefore remained lost in the desert and died nonetheless.

From Rev.14:12 just after a description was given of the antichrist (the three angels soaring through midheaven represent the 666) "This is what sustians the holy ones (small h), who keep the commandments and their faith in Jesus.

RED DAVE

From Amost:

So, you're still saying that my great-grandmother, who died in the Holocaust a believing Jew, went to hell.

What a wonderful God you serve!

RED DAVE

Amos

Show me where. I suggested that she was burried with "it is kind of difficult to go anyplace without a life, don't you think?" and you, as unbeliever, fear that she is in hell.

Doctor X

Recognizing a text as antisemitic is rather different than attempting to justify antisemitism based on the text.

I find it a singular departure from gentlemanly behavior to unjustifiably ascribe obnoxious opinions to another.

--J.D.

RED DAVE

From Amos:

I take it from this that you are saying my great-grandmother was "without a life". What does that mean. As an unbeliever, I don't believe she's in hell. But I believe that you think she's there.

RED DAVE

Amos

How can you "re-cognize" something that is not there unless it pre-existed in the mind of the reader?

I am saying that Judas died to indicate that Judaism must be annihilated in the mind of the beholder before he can enter heaven and you called that antisemitism. In my view this is a good thing and you called it ignorance on my part.

No, and I don't understand the reason for anitisemitism now or ever in the past.