JPD

I've not said that it is sweet to kill anyone. Of course it is wrong to kill innocent/good people. That's a bit of a stupid comment by you as you should have realised how I feel about people being intentionally killed by other people. Is it not apparent?

As techniques develop the chances of the wrong person being convicted diminish.

You keep concentrating on the minority of people who are innocent and I'll concentrate on the majority who are not.

Headache

Ok, DNA is a great tool, but not infallible.

Example: I'm at a night club, dancing and flirting with this woman. I'm looking forward to a hot night when my cell goes off and I have to go to the office and take care of some emergency. later that night, the woman is killed, my DNA is found on her clothes. No other DNA found. You see where I'm going with this?

There is no such thing as 100% proved guilt, and if you want to punish me with death for something I didn't do, I have a huge problem, right?

grumpytheBright

Without changing my stand on the death penalty, or my opinions of the people who support it, let me change my answer to the OP.

Yes. A person who supports the death penalty can call himself a humanist. A person who supports the death penalty can call himself an English muffin if he likes.

But here’s why I’m changing my answer:

In the Toledo District of Belize, there are so many subcultures based on religion that I dare not try to enumerate them. Chief among them, though, are the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh-Day Adventists, Catholics, Mennonites, Baptists, Methodists, Anglican, and more flavors of true-believer, bible-thumping fundies than Ben & Jerry have ice cream.

There are some reasonably sane mainstreamers among them, but most hold their beliefs passionately and with fervor. Among these, each believes that only members of their own sect are Christians. They will withhold membership in the Christian community from anyone who disagrees with them on even the slightest detail of dogma. The Seventh-Dayers and the JWs even claim that the Pope is the Antichrist.

I did this to you. I hereby cheerfully allow fellow Humanists to disagree with me and still be Humanists.

Even the blood-thirsty bastards.

grumpytheBright

grumpytheBright

No, in fact it is not apparent from your posts. It looks very much like you would approve of herding 100 convicted murderers into the gas chamber knowing full well that there could be two or three innocents among them. The innocents just seem not to be a matter of great importance to the pro-DPs.

grumpytheBright

JPD

I wouldn't approve of the killing of innocent people at any time. You evidently think that the majority of people who are rightfully convicted should be allowed to continue to live when they have ended another person's life intentionally.

It looks very much like you would approve of letting 100 people get off lightly knowing full well that most of them are guilty. The guilty just seem not to be a matter of great importance to the anti-DPs.

Headache

What do you have to kill the guilty ones? Isn't the one they committed already one too many?

Your motive seems to be revenge, they kill - you kill.

Is there something about how other countries punish people for murder that causes these countries to have higher murder rates than USA? No, quite the opposite. So, it's obvious that punishment is not making your country safer. Nor does experience from other countries show that killers who has served their sentence and is released, commit murders again. What are you afraid of?

grumpytheBright

Who said anything about letting them off lightly? Now you are arguing like a fundie.

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JPD

Permitting them to continue to exist IS letting them off lightly. They don't deserve that privilege.

Touche....now you are sounding like a weak liberal.

grumpytheBright

There's more heat than light here. I give up.

grumpytheBright:wave:

JPD

Well that's okay. This is an issue that it is not possible to remove the emotive aspects from.